FBI arrests two in connection with plot to set off bomb during protests

(KMOV.com) – Law enforcement sources are confirming to News 4 that two men were arrested in connection with a plot to explode pipe bombs during protests.

Authorities say the two men were arrested near Ferguson and were apprehended as part of an undercover operation and were arraigned in federal court Friday.

We will continue to follow this story and have more information as it becomes available.

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For those who don't think much will come out of this grand jury decision, there are many motivated to fight or just to cause anarchy. Now is this another case where law enforcement motivate civilians to act as terrorists then arrest them? Where they members of white supremacists? black panthers? or lone wannabe terrorists?

I'm surprised this isn't being reported more by the msm. What say you ATS?

It will be interesting to see if they release the race of these men before the indictment announcement is made.

I can see it causing copy cats and/or more violence either way.

a reply to: LDragonFire

I say it's such a common tactic for the FBI to set people up or pose as activists doing bad things that I don't believe it, not til I read several more sources at least. How convenient for the FBI to be deployed today and already have wannabe bombers...

It's being reported now by major networks and FBI is claiming they are members of the New Black Panther Party, not to be confused with the Black Panthers. NBPP is a racist group, Black Panthers are the old disbanded group targeted by the FBI's COINTEL program back in the 60s.

Do not trust the FBI around protests.

Much as I'm looking for things like this very thing to happen, and possibly on a wide range scale, Kali does have a very good point...

There are 82 cities in which protests are planned, meaning that this has a potential to become a new Occupy movement.

The question is, of course, will this move to include all races, creeds, and classes, or will it simply stay at the whining about racism stage of the game. For it to move up to the big leagues, this needs to become about police brutality, militarization, and government endorsed theft against all races and creeds, not just black people. If that happens, then we may well see something real. Otherwise it will fizzle and die.

a reply to: Kali74

I was gonna say the same thing. The FBI (federal bunch of idiots) has probably created more bomb threats than they've stopped.

originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: Kali74

I was gonna say the same thing. The FBI (federal bunch of idiots) has probably created more bomb threats than they've stopped.

Exactly, the only ones that they stop are the ones that they create. If there were any real threats the only thing the FBI would be doing is trying to find out who it was only after the fact.
They fabricate these things to look like they are being productive and to make people believe that we need them so they can stop the bad guys.

a reply to: LDragonFire

Now is this another case where law enforcement motivate civilians to act as terrorists then arrest them?

How do you motivate someone to become a terrorist? Are you suggesting they threatened the people's families or something?

I'm not really talking to you with the rest of this OP.

I get tired of people acting like the FBI is using entrapment when someone wants to buy a bomb. Giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not entrapment.

Most likely someone reported these two, and the FBI gave them the rope to hang themselves. Now pointing a gun at a family member and saying hang yourself is far different than giving someone enough rope.

I trust the FBI for the most part.

a reply to: Domo1


You don't think that targeting someone who you can manipulate into building something that they most likely would not have unless they were coaxed into doing it entrapment? And you don't think that our government would do things like that? Maybe you should research the kinds of things that our government does to manipulate the people in ways just to get an outcome they use to make laws and restrict more freedom.

a reply to: JHumm

Well obviously you are still free to build pipe bombs, buys lots of guns and generally dismiss humanity as inferior while promising to kill anyone who comes too close to your bunker nirvana.

Just don't make plans to kill lots of people and bad # won't happen....

a reply to: JHumm

You don't think that targeting someone who you can manipulate into building something that they most likely would not have unless they were coaxed into doing it entrapment?

It depends on the manipulation. Merely pretending to sell someone something illegal is not entrapment. Entrapment would be threatening someone with legal action unless they did something, or threatening someone's family unless they did something.

Hearing that some jackass is looking to build some bombs and pretending to supply them to levy more serious charges against them is not entrapment.

So a cop saying if you don't buy this contraband from me I will kill your family or do x is not the same as a cop saying here, I have some contraband, do you want to buy it and arresting someone for trying to.

originally posted by: Domo1

It depends on the manipulation.

You're right, it does depend on exactly that. A sting and entrapment have many similar functions that they share however one is understandably legal while the other is definitely not. The line between the two is crossed a lot by Law Enforcement and it's almost impossible to establish a clear line between the two for our legal system.

Another problem is that in the real world, unlike the movies, the bad guy isn't always evil nor the good guy all that good. An aggressive LEO or Agent can easily and without it being his intention become the Master Mind behind the very Terror Plot he's been tasked with preventing.

A good example of this would be the Newburgh Four. If you're not familiar with it, you should look it up. It's a recent and well documented example of how this kind of thing has and does happen. Especially in our Post 9-11 hyper security state.

a reply to: LDragonFire



.............. and they have conclusive evidence the purchasers were going to use it for terrorists activity and for no other reasons? ..... yes, definitely, the arresting officers word. Righto, no worries.

I will have to check out some more details on this case. One cannot simply walk into your neighborhood department store and buy explosives, and there is not a huge list of black market vendors that the average person could call, as this is a highly specialized illegal product. I gathered that they were buying premade explosives as opposed to certain ingredients that would later be used in the manufacture of explosives, considering you are not technically buying explosives, but in that case would be buying this or that with the intention of producing explosives. What am I getting at? It would not surprise me to learn that the FBI was in some way involved in getting explosives to this group. They are supposedly members of the New Black Panther Party, and the FBI's actions where the original Black Panther Party was concerned are well known, and the FBI blatantly disregarded the law and even murdered members in cold blood on at least one occasion.

The original party was set up to basically follow the cops around and ensure that they stayed within the bounds of the law, although things did not quite work out that way. But at one point there were so many different chapters of the group in so many different cities that I'm sure there were a lot of independent actions that were not actually sanctioned by the party as a whole, and in the case we are discussing in this thread I imagine that whatever actions were intended might have been an isolated incident...but it is hard to say at this point. Surely one must consider the possibility of a larger plot, considering they are members of a larger organization that very well could engage in violence. The original party was definitely a militaristic one, although I don't know if the whole socialism aspect has carried over into the modern version, as I don't know much about the group today.

But ya, we could be looking at entrapment or something like that by the feds, but like I already stated, I have not looked at all the details at this point in time, therefore am just stating possibilities. Perhaps there was something that ruled out this possibility that I am not aware of. So many of the protesters are taking advantage of this situation, and not just the violent ones, or the thugs who are present and who are planning or hoping to participate in violence. I mean what do the legitimate protesters hope to accomplish anyway? What can be done is already being done, and a grand jury is figuring out what should be done with the cop who pulled the trigger. If the protesters are hoping to send a message to the police to clean up their act, even though it has not been proven in a court of law whether the officer is guilty of wrongdoing in this case, they are sadly wasting their time. They are doing much more harm than good at this point. Too many illegal things have gone on surrounding these protests, and there are probably some cops itching for a fight, while many protesters are looking for violence as well. And for what? That is not justice no matter how you slice it. The cops won't back down. And the fact that the protesters picked this incident to rally behind surprises me, considering there are much more blatant murders by the police. And if the protesters and others involved in this incident had any respect for the victim, then they would listen to the family of the deceased, who do not want violence and hatred being spread. And if rioting or worse breaks out after the decision, the protesters look even worse. And considering the illegal activities by those mixing with the protesters, the cops cannot simply not show up and let them do whatever they want. Perhaps if things had never escalated this would have been possible. But these actions are what has sparked an even greater retaliatory response by the police and government.

With the capabilities the NSA has, why is it hard to believe that the FBI caught them?

A leader New Black panther Party replied about the requests,
Yeah it is RT but that's where this update is shared from apparently,

After the arrest, one of the leaders of the New Black Panther Party, Chawn Kweli, posted a message on his blog blaming the operation on Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO).

“The wicked enemies of black people use lies and deceit to confuse the masses and misdirect the legitimate aspirations of the black power movement,” Kweli wrote. “As seen, in St. Louis, Mo, with the arrest of Chairman Olajawon Ali, and other activist ahead of the decision on whether to indict Officer Darren Wilson for killing Mike Brown – or not!”

Source
Article says the FBI has been watching them since Aug.

a reply to: mOjOm

This sparked me to start reading more about it (not the Newburgh 4). I'm surprised. Thanks.

I suppose my idea of entrapment and what legally constitutes entrapment differ.

I considered entrapment (and thought I was correct) to be essentially forcing someone to act in a way they otherwise wouldn't. I didn't realize there were two different criteria. I disagree that someone being badgered into illegal activity counts as entrapment. The Supreme Court apparently does not. Interesting. Appreciate the back and forth.

Black folks don't generally blow shiet up they burn shiet down...it's an ethinc thang