10 Recommendations on Electromagnetic Fields

originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: elementalgrove

The studies have been performed
Worldwide.

However, the results have been buried.

No suprise, as that is conducive to sheer economics.

Get The bed canopy, and judge for yourself.

Happy Thanksgiving to You and Yours !

How do you know that the studies have been buried?
Surely you wouldn't know about them would you?
And if you did then they can't have been buried.

Unless they're junk...

a reply to: engvbany

It is what it is, and I am not a co owner of the company.
Nor an investor, but I should be.

Regardless, their products are legitimate and
perform as stated.

You are free to your opinion,

yet , do you have the data to prove the O.P.'s concerns unwarranted?

I would wager that your statistical conclusions are no more
accurate or verifiable than the concerns mentioned by the O.P.

Wi Fi, Cell Phone variants, Directive Multiplanar Microwave Transmission,
ELF multigrid tower transmissions, Hi Frequency Resonance experiments,
Focused Magnetic Wave Patterns,and other methods that I won't mention,
are in their current form, new Tech, and the "science" is not definitive due to
the lack of Data and Case Studies. ( Default Corporate Lie method)

However, I would wager that the "science" that IS available
is beholden to the Corporations that have funded those
specific reports and research.

Hey, no offence, I am a realist, and I wasn't born yesterday.
Business is business, I understand that, but that does not mean
I have to agree, accept, or even like it.

Do Me a favor, Please prove me wrong.
As I am really growing tired of playing the Cynic.

Produce the Data that is going to be the Happy Cake
with strawberries on top. Hey , I'm ready for it.
Along with a big fat corporate rebate as well,
for being such a dedicated consumer.

In the meantime, I will be waiting on the sidelines
among'st the Ebola and Fukishima Media Black Out Folks.
Observing confused expressions on the special interest media owned outlets
as their ratings dive into scary territory .
Get Real , or Get Gone.

S A V V Y ?

originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: engvbany
... their products are legitimate and perform as stated.

Their products may indeed shield you from RF , as would a tin-foil onesie, or a space blanket , but the garments can only have a psychological placebo effect , like wearing a lucky-charm : no actual organic beneficial effect, as there is no evidence RF radiation used for communications is harmful to health.

If only experiencing symptoms when sitting in front of a computer could have explanations other than RF (WiFi) exposure,
e.g. over-work , eye-strain , sitting in the same position for too long.

posted by: Wildmanimal
... Wi Fi ... Cell Phone ... Ebola ...Fukishima ...

You forgot to include the growing epidemic of crank magnetism

originally posted by: engvbany

there is no evidence RF radiation used for communications is harmful to health.

It's a combination of radiation intensity and overall exposure time. There's even some indication that doses below a certain strength may be beneficial.

You forgot to include the growing epidemic of crank magnetism

I've been increasingly aware of that syndrome but never knew it had a name hence I learnt something

a reply to: engvbany

Too early too tell.

Give it time my fellow member.

a reply to: Pardon?

Well just use your brain.
Any new technology has its risks.
When there are Billions of Dollars involved,
it is generally bad advertising to state the risks.

Its just Common Business Practice.
So, as a Businessman, I know that the
potential lawsuits that will be impending
are negligible to my current profit margin.

Furthermore, the company can write them off
as a tax deduction.

As far as your questions as to my claims,
consider researching Dioxin and Asbestos
for starters.

To be clear, I am in no way opposed to this tech,
yet we as consumers are responsible to a degree
for the products we buy and expose ourselves to.

Caveat Emptor S a v v y?

a reply to: PeterMcFly

Well there you have it.
When the effects are on a molecular level,
"they are hard to detect".
That does not mean that effects are not occurring.

When agitation of molecules occur
it is very difficult to predict what the
results will be.

originally posted by: Wildmanimal


When agitation of molecules occur
it is very difficult to predict what the
results will be.

In science, we call this "heat". It's a normal every day occurrence, unless you're at absolute zero.

a reply to: Wildmanimal
a reply to: Bedlam

I think my post was not understood correctly, at least for the centrosome part. I was speculating on a possible magnetic coupling between the centrosomes. This come simply by observation that centrosome are made of orthogonal tube like molecules; remember right hand rules in electromagnetism?

As said by Bedlam, molecular agitation is nothing more than heat.

However molecular vibration modes like stretching and twisting fall in the realm of infrared and Raman spectroscopy, a well known science AFAIK.
Infrared spectroscopy - Wikipedia

There is also talk about interaction of terahertz radiation with DNA, however they have minimal penetration in "wet" human tissus:
Terahertz radiation - Wikipedia

Finally, our cells internal is made of some sort of "scaffolding" called microtubules. I'm of the school of thought that they are not merely structural and transport elements but also some sort of molecular computer and produce coupling with quantum fluctuation. If EM radiation can affect microtubules is an interesting question.

a reply to: Bedlam

Yes , that is Thermal Agitation.
Unhealthy things can occur in living tissue
when cells are exposed to certain frequencies.
McFly mentioned thermal vibration.
I knew of a police officer who clipped his radio
on the front side of his belt. He ended up
with testicular cancer. Evidence of studies were
located, and he took legal action and Won.
Now, most officers keep the radio towards their
backside, and use and over the shoulder extended
microphone. I could be wrong, but I will hold to my opinion
that these newer technologies will prove to be somewhat of
a health hazard in the future. I still am wary of having a wifi
system and a cellular phone in a Child's room.

But that's just me. Thanks for the reply.

a reply to: Bedlam

Enviromental Thermal heat is one thing,
Magnetic and electronic frequencies
are another in my opinion.

For instance, the difference of "Hot Air"
and electronically focused frequency beams.

originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: Bedlam

Yes , that is Thermal Agitation.

Agitation is agitation. That is the very definition of heat. One of them, anyway.

Unhealthy things can occur in living tissue
when cells are exposed to certain frequencies.

Ah, the 'magic frequency' tale. Why? What sort of frequencies? Frequency of what? You can't use frequency as a proper noun, you know. Frequencies of hummingbird wing flaps? Faucet drip rate?

I knew of a police officer who clipped his radio
on the front side of his belt. He ended up
with testicular cancer. Evidence of studies were
located, and he took legal action and Won.

I knew of one who wore it on his belt, and didn't.

The plural of anecdote isn't data.

originally posted by: Wildmanimal
a reply to: Bedlam

Enviromental Thermal heat is one thing,
Magnetic and electronic frequencies
are another in my opinion.

For instance, the difference of "Hot Air"
and electronically focused frequency beams.

There's no such thing as a "frequency beam". So I'd say that was a big difference - something real, hot air, and something that doesn't exist - a 'frequency beam'.

originally posted by: Bedlam

Ah, the 'magic frequency' tale. Why? What sort of frequencies? Frequency of what? You can't use frequency as a proper noun, you know. Frequencies of hummingbird wing flaps? Faucet drip rate?

I find 86 occurrences per minute to be particularly destructive to my vibrational energy.

a reply to: PeterMcFly

Thanks for that - the heating (or more correctly 'excitation' of cells by microwave tech) is a reall problem with cell phones specifically which can be mitigated by distance (everyone knows to stay three feet away or more from a running microwave oven, right?). Using the speaker-phone feature is a convenient workaround.

But there is more involved, as you said, then the heat. There is the magnetic component as well.

I'm more concerned with the effect of excessive electro-magnetic fields upon the healthy functioning of neural signaling. Our cells - communicate both chemically and electro-magnetically - and both are being assaulted by external degradation. Chemical by physical pollution and EM by Electricity flows (high power lines, the wiring in our homes and other building and by improper grounding of electricity returning to substations), Microwave communitation nets including the various 'wireless' networks that we may be subjected to on a daily basis and the increasing levels of EM of our technology.

This is my interested laypersons understanding.

Here are a few interesting papers on this extensive and difficult subject. I'm including a historical overview of possible EM uses in 'mind control'.

www.ratical.org...

mindjustice.org...

A good overview of electrical forms of EMFs from a mainstream source:

www.emfs.info...

A non-profit focused on cell towers and phone safety:

www.electrosmogprevention.org...

And then an interesting tangent. We are not grounded (literally grounded in the electrical sense) to the earth. Our shoes have rubber or plastic soles. Our homes insulate us from the ground. Think about it. Kooky - maybe but worth a look and some thought.

earthinginstitute.net...

and to be fair:

scienceblogs.com...

Great topic

originally posted by: GetHyped

I find 86 occurrences per minute to be particularly destructive to my vibrational energy.

86 of what? And what sort of 'vibrational energy'? And how did you measure it?

a reply to: Bedlam

I'm not a details man, I let my spirit animal handle the finer points.

a reply to: Bedlam

No such thing ? What is a laser?

A focused beam of photons at a particular frequency.

C'mon Bedlam, I thought you knew better than that.

You don't believe that radio waves of a particular frequency

can be focused as well?these articles might interest you.

www.worldoflasers.com...

adsabs.harvard.edu...

Here is an article that discusses geometric modulations.
Now, the study was based in lower ionosphere which
would really be conducive to future studies in our atmosphere.
This study is 6 years ago.

here: onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

a reply to: Bedlam

You know it is more complicated than that.
Molecules are made of atoms.
In general thermal agitation you are applying heat.
Simple as that.

With Electromagnetic Frequency Beams ( and yes I
will hold fast to that term) The target is bombarded
with Electromagnetic Frequencies that not only "agitate" and
(create a thermal reaction) known to cause adverse health effects,
but electrically alter the atoms at a sub atomic level.

Remember that atoms are made up of magnetic charges.
At a Sub Atomic Level the effects of electrical/magnetics are
even more pronounced.
Anyway,
Look at the business Patterns of the last 50 years or more
for common cause and effect results.

For instance, consider Aspertame and how that was fine for you.
Look at the studies on it now. I don't see too many folks drinking "Tab"
these days. How about cigarettes, how about Radium,Uranium,Tritium
and Thorium used in consumer products such as dinnerware, and childrens marbles,
or Prozac, or Lipidor, etc.,
how about organophosphates, DDT, Chlordane, Asbestos, Etc.
I could go on and on.

In most of those cases, "the technology wasn't available" to fully
comprehend the adverse health effects.

Here are a couple links American Academy on Enviromental Health
discussing EMF/Radiofrequency Fields, and Clearly Stating that the
Health Effects REQUIRE FURTHER INVESTIGATION.
You do Understand what that means?
I'll tell you Exactly what it means.

It means Read Between the Lines.

aaemonline.org...

www.who.int...

I believe in due time, the track record will clearly record
the direct adverse health effects related to the technology
we are arguing.

I am a Tech/Science buff myself, but hey,
feel free to flog a dead horse with me all you like,
I will stay in my corner of the ring until proven otherwise.
Just as You will do. Makes for good conversation at the very least.

(((Why not try this Experiment))),
Locate a physically and mentally healthy test subject of Approximately
ten years of age.
Place a Fully charged switched on cell phone on one side of the subjects
bedtime pillow,and place a Fully functional and operating WiFi device
on the other side of the pillow. Both devices should be located within
1 meter of the test subject.

Require the subject to sleep between these two devices every evening for one year.
Feel free to use one of your own children or younger relatives for this experiment.
You might like to look into the legality of such actions prior to implementation.
Perform a Full Cat Scan and MRI (full body) and specifically to the Left and Right
Hemispheres of the test subjects brain.

Please Contact me at the end of the one year experiment to share your results.
I believe that this experiment will produce "Accelerated" conclusions.

I look forward to your resulting hypothesis.

Have a great Weekend

a reply to: Wildmanimal

Yeah, something you can do at home, right? Let me just dust off the MRI scanner I have in the attic and give it a whirl. Convenient way to place your argument in an unfalsifiable position.

But of course there's no need for that. Every properly controlled experiment regarding the effects of wifi etcetera has shown it to be nothing more than placebo.

What specific frequencies are you proposing are having an effect? Frequency is nothing more than the number of occurrences over a given time frame. It's utterly meaningless to talk of "good" frequencies and "bad" frequencies. I know it's a buzzword used by the New Age/"alternative" medicine crown (along with the delightful misuse of "quantum") but that doesn't mean it has any basis in the bizarre context you use it.