Who or what are the angels? Are they male or female?

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13

originally posted by: Abednego

1 cannot confirm that is the case Abednego. Also depending on which group we are discussing and considering that the humanoid body of man may have once been both or asexual in design, before the perceived as ADAM was separated into ADAM & EVE it may be possible some view both men and women in the same manner as far as looking for goes... Considering LILITH/LILITUTE perceived as ANNUNAKI potentially being designed and set up as Adams first wife to CREATE???

@ times 1 postulates did the WATCHERS see only human women or both as well when reproducing?

•Matt. 22:30, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
•Luke 20:34-36, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage; 36 for neither can they die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

The above verses just say that they do not get married. Does not mention anything about genders.

Genesis 6 : 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This one is interesting: What does God mean when He said "he also is flesh"?

originally posted by: bitsforbytes
but what of the flood and its reason for being? Of Noahs bloodline being pure? Something doesnt add up.

What 'doesn't add up' is the fact that the flood never happened. Science has proven that the world wide flood, with waters a mile high for 8 months, absolutely did not happen. So you can dismiss the Noah aspect. It's a fairy tale.

The coral reefs that are a hundred thousand years old would have died during the flood. But they are alive and well.

The 80,000 year old trees in the Desert S.W. USA would have died under the weight and darkness of the water over them. But they are alive and well.

Undisturbed ancient ruins from tens of thousands of years ago prove that man was widespread and that their ruins were left undisturbed. This proves that Noahs Ark didn't happen 6,000 years ago like the bible literalists claim.

Ice core samples from the north and south pole show no evidence whatsoever of a world wide flood ... ever. And those ice core samples would have it there undisturbed.

DNA dispersion proves Noahs Ark didn't happen. It is absolutely impossible for all of humanity and it's diversity to have come from three pair of reproducing (and related) humans floating on a boat 6,000 years ago. Even 10,000 years ago. Even 50,000 years ago. Even 100,000 years ago. (and humans couldn't make boats that far back).

So no use of adding Noahs Ark to the mix about a discussion on angels and fallen angels and offspring needing to be cleansed ... it didn't happen.

originally posted by: bitsforbytes
I choose to believe that our DNA was tampered with albeit through intercourse with the fallen or other means of DNA manipulation; lost technology which as been recently rediscovered.

I agree. But that's not angelic tampering. That would be impossible since they are a race of pure spirit beings, each created by God. The tampering is a much more mundane one ... other organic creatures (ET). Angels, even 'fallen angels' are not organic.

a reply to: Abednego

You have provided some logic data to process Abednego. And yes 1 can agree with some of your context when considering the ANGELS of the HIGH KINGDOM... But what of potential Angels who disobey, I mean NATAS is described as a DRACONAZ? Further is it possible that some angels who may have disobeyed being made of different CREATION material modified themselves or lost immortal grant ship of their bodies during some process began to bond their ethereal-astral like DNA with mankind? Making the NEPHILIM or those of both HUMAN and ANGELIC kind. Hence the nephilim said to be large giant size and with an appetite for eating all around them including other nephilim, somewhat like a being with a human appetite but without the human means to process being full...

a reply to: Abednego

That's a conversation that could deserve its own thread in the philosophy section, but this is a religious thread. Also, at the very least, we can see that black and white exist, regardless if they are considered colors or not. There isn't any evidence that angels exist.

Depends on what source of material ones reading from that tries to depict them.

It probable that they were originally more or so like pagan gods or myth. beast, where they are said to be like invisible forces of nature, to being mythological beasts according to their own genre of lore and to whatever God they serve, like Pegasus were only heroes could ride.

And even then, the angels go through a different make over as time went on, where as Jesus talks about angels being more or less human, but with the supernaturals power for starters. Where he said angels would marry like men and women in the kingdom of heaven or something like that. And if I remember, some believe's about Jesus, say that he was angel, incarnated in to human form.

You could look at seraphim or cheriums, and they do have that mythological beast look, although most peoples in the Abraham religions hate it when divinity is compared to that of an animal, or in their view, savagery and weakness or mortality. Hell look at the old arguments between creationism and natural selection.
Then you got Lucifer whose usually in the form of a human, as well Archangels looking more or less human.

Then looking at Anime, they usually were symbols of death, but hey take your pick.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

Who or what are the angels? Are they male or female?

They are pure spirit beings. Totally etherial. They are a species that has each one CREATED by God and therefore they are not male or female. They do not procreate. Angels don't get pregnant and have baby angels. Each one is a stand alone being created by God.

Jesus Himself said that, when people get to Heaven they will live 'like the angels' neither being being married or getting married. Since sex stays within marriage in God's kingdom, there will be no sex in heaven. Not for angels and not for humans. That's just for the mundane earthbound animal bodies and not the spiritual plane.

The stories in the OT about angels falling and procreating with human women is poppycock. It's impossible. Humans and angels are two different species and angels do not have reproductive abilities. Those stories are either just fairytales OR they are telling about off world aliens who have similar DNA and who went for human females.

Genesis 6 : 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This one is interesting: What does God mean when He said "he also is flesh"?

*Note: I'm trying to stay on the bible without going to other sources.

originally posted by: Abednego

This one is interesting: What does God mean when He said "he also is flesh"?

Perhaps the was mentioning his SON to come later, Abednego. As his son is he...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Abednego



That's a conversation that could deserve its own thread in the philosophy section, but this is a religious thread. Also, at the very least, we can see that black and white exist, regardless if they are considered colors or not. There isn't any evidence that angels exist.

Please tell me what evidence of angels that you would accept. There are many pictures that exist of shapes of beings not completly here and if angels exist in the ether then why would you assume we would have physical evidence here other than influence and things along those lines like children giving various descriptions.

As you point out this is a forum for discussing topics that are faith based so there will be no evidence even if by a miricle you would accept proof that others would. btw You dismiss very much to reach the conclusion of them not existing.

originally posted by: AgentShillington

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: AgentShillington

Now, as to what they actually are, well, that's debatable, but they are most probably... nothing. Because they don't actually exist.

I supposed you are atheist. Maybe wrong, if not, please elaborate on why you think they don't exist?

The funny thing is, there aren't verifiable accounts of angels giving humans any knowledge that they didn't already have.

Angels might simply not give information because it is not what God wants and it might be dangerous in case the living chooses to use it for selfish/personal gain only. It might have happened and nobody talked about it and kept it to themselves and no angel tried ever since. But mostly I believe God wants us to find out everything ourselves since that is growing. Much like building robots which become completely autonomous and self-aware, even if it is an illusion, as long as the subject is convinced of free will it exists. But program such a robot yourself and it is nothing more than a thing, a collection of programming and without it's creator it can't get by or cannot invent or do new things out of it's own accord.

Maybe angels only show themselves in certain circumstances, for example when there are also demons involved. Or when free will is comprimised since this is the reality where things can go good or bad. Or maybe they sometimes lose their faith and decide to interact with a human for whatever reason the angel thinks is right and then after whatever they did, return to their faith and so back to heaven/God.