What is a feminist, what is feminism, and what is a 'feminazi'? Do you know what they are?

a reply to: Tangerine

Keep on ranting. Being so brainwashed you don't even know you're brainwashed and tilting at windmills is the unfortunate state of most American women.

originally posted by: ErgoTheAbsurd

originally posted by: Annee
Reality sucks, doesn't it?

Mmm... I'm sure you have your reasons.

I wish you the best in getting whatever it was you were promised.

/salute and thank you to everyone for the revealing discussions!

Have no idea what you're talking about.

Do you have a problem with fact?

a reply to: jjsr420

no, it's the woman's body.

however the man should have the right to disown the child before it's born, and be free from responsibility (child support) for it.

originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: jjsr420

no, it's the woman's body.

however the man should have the right to disown the child before it's born, and be free from responsibility (child support) for it.

If a man just wants to sow his oats without responsibility, why not wear a condom? Why not get a vasectomy? I don't get this hit and run attitude.

Feminism is the fight for women to be treated as equal to men.

For whatever reason, mainly religious, women had been relegated to second class citizens.

Feminists fight for feminism, or that equality that they deserve.

A feminazi is the term that the men who fear that equality use. Those men like Rush Limbaugh and many on ATS who think women should walk 10 paces behind and should be paid less for equal work. Feminazi is a disgusting term.

Any man against feminism, either has his head in the sand and doesn't realize there is a problem or thinks that women are second class citizens and that they should learn their place.

Here's a news flash for you. Women are equal to men. It's that simple.

You can get into the argument that men are better MMA fighters, professional athletes, firemen and lumberjacks becuase of our bigger size, muscle mass etc. But...that's like saying that a man who has a disability is not equal to the man that isn't. But that's not what we're talking about and you guys know it. We're talking about everything else that women can do just as good as men.

a reply to: InTheLight

eh, interesting point...

could turn that arguement around though, and ask why the woman didn't use contraception as well..

originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: InTheLight

eh, interesting point...

could turn that arguement around though, and ask why the woman didn't use contraception as well..

The birth control pill becomes null and void when a woman takes anti-biotics...any way, why is it the woman's responsibility?

a reply to: skeptikal1

I actually think that your opinion, which you are free to have is just complete Hokum.
Women DO choose to go into those roles. Not every woman wants to be a carer or is maternal. Not every man wants to be a fighter or a mechanic. People should be able to do whatever job they ate qualified and want to without anybody thinking they shouldn't because of gender. When men can be.stay at home dads and women can be soldiers without some prat making snide comments the world will be a better place.

"What is a feminist, what is feminism, and what is a 'feminazi'?"

Feminist- a person who expounds non-traditional rights for women. They believe in the empowered woman.

Feminism - a hypocritical movement.

Feminazi - a doctrine that is in its core- hypocritical.

The feminist movement went ahead and destroyed the image and role of women in America - giving them new powers, goals and responsibilities. BTW- not all women are happy about this. Many do not like working 40hrs/wk, and raising kids, and cleaning the house.

At any rate, the feminist movement, for better or worse, has changed the way women are perceived in American society.

They are total hypocrites, however... at least the official leaders of the feminist movement are. This is because they completely ignore the subservient role that the Muslim women have in America. Not a peep. Crickets chirping... which stops occasionally when a Muslim woman cries or groans under Muslim oppression. The crickets also stop chirping and wonder WTF when underaged Muslim girls are wed off- here in America, in their cultures without the local officials knowing anything about it.

If anybody ever needed freeing and liberation, it is Muslim women and girls living in America.

Way to go Feminazis. Hypocrites!

a reply to: MarkJS

I didn't know raising the kids and cleaning was all woman's work.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: MarkJS

I didn't know raising the kids and cleaning was all woman's work.

It isn't, but tell that to the husbands. Now you know.

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: MarkJS

I didn't know raising the kids and cleaning was all woman's work.

It isn't, but tell that to the husbands. Now you know.

No, actually in my world I still don't know that raising kids and cleaning is all woman's work...now you know.

originally posted by: amazing
Any man against feminism, either has his head in the sand and doesn't realize there is a problem or thinks that women are second class citizens and that they should learn their place.

This is non sense, it's possible to want equality while disagreeing with the feminist approach. Many feminists go beyond arguments for female equality, and promote some very toxic views about men. I've already explained on page 11 why egalitarianism is a superior approach, so I won't repeat it, but if anyone is sticking their head in the sand, it's those who vilify criticism of an ideology that is so deeply flawed.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: MarkJS

I didn't know raising the kids and cleaning was all woman's work.

It isn't, but tell that to the husbands. Now you know.

No, actually in my world I still don't know that raising kids and cleaning is all woman's work...now you know.

It's all a moot point- for Muslim women in America. How can you be behind a movement that is so hypocritical? They say that they champion women's rights. But in the cases of Muslim women- who are the MOST Oppressed- the feminist movement says nothing?

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: nenothtu

Because of newer laws, you can't fire a woman just for being pregnant. You could before there was a law.

Heck, when I first interviewed for a job ---- they flat out asked if I was planning on getting pregnant.

However, if it interferes with her doing her job --- she could get fired, laid off, or put on leave.

That sounds like a business decision to me, more than a discrimination issue. While it's true that men can't get pregnant, and so would not run into that particular issue, they can, and are let go all the time over other issues related to whether or not they are benefiting the business or able to properly perform their job. In the example I gave, they would have cut me loose in a heartbeat if they could have, but the Family and medical leave act prevented it. I don't recall getting paid for that time, but there was a job there for me when I got back, which wouldn't have been there otherwise.

Pregnancy is exclusively female territory, and there are things that go along with it that are part of the package. Solutions might include planning ahead so as not to get pregnant, or possibly starting one's own business so that the boss can't fire you - which, if I recall correctly, is one of the routes you took at one time.

I don't think forcing a business to keep an employee that is incapable of doing the job the business needs done is a viable option. A "lateral promotion" - i.e. moving her to a desk job or something of that nature until the pregnancy is completed might be a better choice for all concerned, with, of course, the appropriate maternity leave time. In some cases, even that won't work, though. For example, my second wife was put on 4 months of bed rest during her pregnancy, and that would have been incompatible with the "lateral promotion" solution.

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: MarkJS

I didn't know raising the kids and cleaning was all woman's work.

It isn't, but tell that to the husbands. Now you know.

No, actually in my world I still don't know that raising kids and cleaning is all woman's work...now you know.

It's all a moot point- for Muslim women in America. How can you be behind a movement that is so hypocritical? They say that they champion women's rights. But in the cases of Muslim women- who are the MOST Oppressed- the feminist movement says nothing?

I talk with Muslim women and they are bound up with religious doctrine and ancient practices...that's their choice and besides there are movements in their societies but they get nowhere fast.

Like I said, the most oppressed of all... with their ancient practices and all that.

History will see the women's movement as totally hypocritical because of their two-faced approach to their supposed championing of rights.

originally posted by: Tangerine

Your hatred of women shines through your post like a stadium light in a sewer. Going back only to the 50's women had no protection and were treated however their husbands liked. I'm sure that's your idea of a golden age. Don't blame your personal insecurities and inadequacies on feminism.

What a ridiculous post!

I can show you laws in America, in the 1600's (Virginia specifically, but I bet I can find more if you really want them), saying that women could not be "treated however their husbands liked" - so where in the hell, what backwards cesspool of planet Earth, were you 300 years later in the 1950's?

And the "hatred of women" thing - is that all you really have if someone disagrees with you? "WAAA WAAA you hate girls!"?

That's getting old.

Maybe you ought not to be hiding your own personal insecurities and inadequacies behind the skirts of the women's movement as well.

originally posted by: MarkJS
Like I said, the most oppressed of all... with their ancient practices and all that.

History will see the women's movement as totally hypocritical because of their two-faced approach to their supposed championing of rights.

You are not all there.

originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows

How dare they run out on their families?!
It's not like military families get paid and etc while their loved one is away or anything!
And all because war is such a loved and fun activity for soldiers......

I hate to take this moment, because you seem to be on a roll, but actually, it can be. Terrifying, exhilarating, and boring - all at the same time. It can be a real adrenaline rush. The catch is, you have to survive it by not becoming a bullet stop.

And therein lies the rub. One that women in those days didn't have to face unless they CHOSE to. Men were not afforded that luxury.

Men didn't just "leave their families" - they got a telegram that began "Greetings from the President of the United States...", It was not a notification that you had won the lottery... not a GOOD lottery, anyhow.

It was SEXIST, I tell ya! Women NEVER got those telegrams! Men were being discriminated against in that lottery - it was stacked - girls didn't have to buy a ticket for it at all!