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Everything a man does is PATRIARCHY and fundamentally meant to oppress women.
Let me ask you this, why does it seem like no one is allowed to critisize feminism?
Even the extreme misandric ones?
Which is then forgotten until you have to point it out again.
Usually after getting an earfull of generalizations about men.
And before you say we are.
You obviously aren't noticing the title of misogynist etc etc etc bestowed upon any male who does.]
I don't understand how misogyny or misanthropy works. We all have family, friends etc of either sex...Unless we are really unlucky.
Anyone who believes that is a misanthrope/misandrist and probably holds some kind of grudge. Not a healthy thought.
I don't know, does it seem that way? I mean, here and everywhere I see a lot of discussion and criticism going on. I myself actually criticised feminism I think on page 2, and if criticism is just and correct I see no reason to shut such a discussion down or anything. As of yet, there're many many people online who are openly anti-feminist, the manosphere really is a thing
Perhaps it seems as if it's not allowed because people object and disagree but such is the nature of the internet and discussion. I can even imagine a certain level of contempt and disgust as those who are anti-feminist sometimes harbour and express pretty reprehensible views. They aren't just anti-feminist, but also anti-decency. There're several sides to all that.
I don't know of many actually misandric feminists let alone extremely misandric ones, but I stopped following the movement some while ago. Obviously I don't support misandry. The generalisations about men- what are they?
It'd be wrong imo to call someone a misogynist because he objects to misandry alone. If there's not more to the story than that I agree that's not a way to treat someone.
It's much the same with race equality, there are those who seek equality and those who seek to disempower the "other" due to being put down for so long.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: jjsr420
Simply because the life is growing in a woman's body, doesn't mean the male shouldn't have a choice.
Why not? Who decides what will happen to the sperm in the male's body? The male. What happens in the female body is ultimately her choice. When men can bear and birth children, then they can choose whether or not they want to.
I happen to believe that a man should have an option to release responsibility of an unplanned pregnancy. But not to force a woman to have a child she doesn't want to have. That's slavery.
I don't know of many actually misandric feminists let alone extremely misandric ones,
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: jjsr420
What about the Amazons, or the many, many Queens that have ruled nations?
Do you think that the fact that there have been queens and women warriors in our past means women have always been treated as equals to men and been treated equally by men?
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: ErgoTheAbsurd
Remember, men were helping them. Men had to fight for the right to vote too... it didn't just appear out of nowhere.
Men - feminist men - helped them. Because why? Why did they need help?
That is what is hurting so much the discussion is people want to take their situation *now* and project backward what they believe the intent was rather than trying to understand the actual mindset and intentions of the people they are criticizing.
Women don't understand history? Women don't understand intent? Women don't understand men? :-)
I have a sense that this discussion only makes sense for you if it's about women not understanding men - and in fact feminism for you must mean that most feminists are blaming men and history. I promise - it is about much more than just this
Women - even feminists - like men. Love men. Respect men. None of this precludes them from having a hankering for self determination
I understand that this desire (as far as you're concerned) really messes up the family unit
I wish you could answer this one question: why did women have to fight for the right to vote?