Monsanto announced plans to sue Maui, Hawaii after voteres passed a moratorium on GMO

a reply to: Sabiduria

Codex Alimentarius

Monsanto are the pricks that bought us Agent Orange, PCB's and Dioxin - nothing they do is for the benefit of mankind.

a reply to: Sabiduria

The general public here in the U.S has, so far, not expressed the outrage we need to ban this $hit, so I'm counting on the outrage that the cojones of Monsanto dangle in places that they should not.

a reply to: tinner07

Ferguson isn't really the best comparison. The U.S police are acting out (abuse) because tptb want to rile up the people. MSM bombards people to get people to the point they want to protest. While people are protesting, puppets are sent in to create a mob mentality. Chaos breaks out as people and police are swept up into mob mentality. Then came curfews, Martial Law and finally the National Guard.

This is about a corporation flexing it's muscles because it can't lose any money, it needs to make more. ((As we know U.S corporations number one goal is to make money, no matter what))

A corporation suing a city for not wanting the corporation's toxic products in their city. There are no words. Maui

How do we stop Monsanto? Is it too late?

a reply to: Sublimecraft

thank you for sharing that. I'm going to be have to put that as a side research project.

Things like this, Is why the private sectors just don't work.

When organizations have the potencial to be owned by a select few, Without any voting. Corruption occures 100%.

You cannot live in a world free of corruption if a singular person can own commerical land and enforce their own laws and regulations despite what the workers think. There is no democracy in an economy and government that is run by privitization.

Courts will continue to lay in bed with companies that amass hordes of cash swinndled in overpricing schemes.
When privitzation occures, incentives for profit are number one. And the ability of bribary.

If you want this corrupt system to end. All organizations must be run publically like they are intended to. With a rigid voting system. Which takes into account the oppinions of everyone working for the organization.

Organizations must make physical impact on humans and the enviroment in a positive way or they have no reason to exist.
We should live in a system where people are limited to the amount of cars they can purchase.
We are going digital soon, So an A.I could enforce this rule on every living human. And operate how organizations are run, Where leadership in an organization are cast by votes. Ranking in an organization would effect social status within a society. And different ranking social status's allows greater efficency in obtaining objects and resources.

So people who have important or dangerous jobs still have incentives and are paid above a livable wage.

Eitherway, Organizations have to become publically owned and operated with its own democratic procedures or corruption will continue to run rampent all over the world.

And nothing the privatized system can do will alter or change these outcomes of collapsing or horribly enslaving the population for mass control and profit.

As long these people who own companies have similar abilities to that of monarchs. There will never be a fair and just society.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

No I don't think it's too late. We need to be demanding that our cities start using Aquaponic Food Farms instead of relying on grocery chains. Until the Aquaponic Food Farms are set up, we should be buying products from local farmers market (or 100 mile diet) if it's available.

In the city of Nelson, B.C they have a Co-Op: Kootenay Co-Op

We are a large, consumer-owned co-operative offering a wide variety of tasty, healthy foods, high quality wellness products and truly friendly service in the heart of the wacky, wonderful hamlet of Nelson, BC. Looking for great local, organic, fair trade, bulk foods and products from a community-owned grocery store? You came to the right place.

We need to keep demanding that our cities/States ban GMO products and Monsanto products (all of them)

a reply to: Sabiduria

This would be something the public sector would do, A town would pitch in order to establish food sources. Not funnel money into corperations that waste gas transporting stale food that is freshened up with chemicals. Yum.

Don't know what i mean? orchards *freshen up* apples stored in fridges for a year with wax.

Yummy yum yum. of course that's not the worst. All those strange chemicals in packaged food are to prevent it from going stale. Nitrogen tends to reduce the staleing effect a bit but the food is still stail. Just moist. You get a stail moist packaged donute fresh from the factory 4 months ago.

lol. Well when your motives are profit and you want to go international. Who cares right? Poison for all. As long as it provides a delicate bites Sall good right? What ever pushes those extra pennies. Plus chemicals add more weight to the batch saving money. It's genius. Even if the populations become nutrient defficent and obese. Our pockets are lines.

a reply to: Sabiduria

I don't understand how Monsanto has the right to sue Maui. If they do not want GMO there they should have a right to say no and not be challenged. Just because the feds allow it doesn't mean that every state or county has to allow it. The rights of the states are supposed to supersede the Feds on an issue like this. If a county wants to ban the import of any unnatural invasive species they should be allowed to do so. Since Monsanto's products disrupt the environment by cross pollination, they are an invasive species

a reply to: AnuTyr

That's why I said we need to start demanding Aquaponic Food farms. No wax needed on Apples to ship overseas when apples can be grown anywhere.

a reply to: Sabiduria

I really hope they kick these bastards out of the island of my birth. They have ZERO right to undermine the people's wishes and to destroy such a pristine, one of a kind landscape. If the judicial system actually takes side with them or even listens to this case it'll infuriate the locals and trust me the locals of hawaii take the sanctity of the land to heart and will defend it. I was once with my mainland friend surfing on a local beach and the other guys would've pummled my friend had he not been there with me. Now transfer that aggression to Monsanto or anyone working on those gmo farms and they have a real big problem.

They have ZERO right to undermine the people's wishes and to destroy such a pristine, one of a kind landscape.

Are you talking about the abandoned sugar and pineapple fields which are being replanted on Maui and Molokai? Not exactly pristine. If the moratorium is allowed to happen, it will have a major local economic impact. A lot of land will go fallow and a lot of people will lose their jobs. Because of fear and ignorance.


The county vote was very close (2%) and, on Molokai, the vote was heavily against the "moratorium". In any case, the lawsuit (Monsanto is one party out of three) is based on the same premise which overturned an anti-GM measure (also somewhat vague as to implementation) on Kauai. The moratorium is superseded by state law, counties do not have jurisdiction in agricultural matters.

mauinow.com...

A Federal judge has slapped an injunction on the voter iniative. Expect heated protests from the Shaka movement.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Don't know for sure how, but if the courts strike down the voter's will then it wouldn't shock me if we started seeing some of the more radical individuals start burning fields and trashing labs.

Unfortunately, it's the inevitable conclusion of being helpless against a system that offers only an illusion of choice and no tangible way to legally enforce the public's will...

a reply to: coldkidc

Don't know for sure how, but if the courts strike down the voters will then it wouldn't shock me if we started seeing some of the more radical individuals start burning fields and trashing labs.

Yeah. Great. That'll teach 'em.

and no tangible way to legally enforce the public's will...

The "public's will" is a funny thing. It kept blacks out of a lot of places for a long time, kept them in chains. It kept women from voting. We are not a pure democracy for good reason.

a reply to: Sabiduria

The basic freedom of speech includes the right to remain silent. Its every companies right to decline to write "GMO" on their product. If consumers don't like it they can buy the products that say "GMO-free" on their products. Problem solved, without any government involvement. And if you want companies to pay a living wage you can buy fair wage products. Problem solved, without groveling at the feet of any politician. Its disappointing people want to use force to have people speak to their preferences about a range of topics without so much as considering that the problem can be resolved in a civilized way.

This about something bigger than food or even the will of the people. This is about how GMO can affect the entire ecosystem of an island, which if you happen to live on it is mighty damn important. Each of the Hawaiian islands has flora and fauna that is unique not only to it, but to the whole world.
This corporations care not a whit for any species that might be accidentally destroyed by the disruptions caused by GMOs introduced in the natural food chains and dispersal of pollens. They only care about the almighty dollar and damn any frog, fish or fern that might be lost forever.
The earlier poster was right about the TPP - should it pass this issue won't even be ALLOWED in court. It would be settled by a international tribunal, composed of corporate interests who would then award Monsanto billions from the state of Hawaii for daring to interfere with commerce.
Yes, it CAN get worse, much worse and we are in grave danger of passing that point soon.

originally posted by: wayforward
a reply to: Sabiduria

The basic freedom of speech includes the right to remain silent. Its every companies right to decline to write "GMO" on their product. If consumers don't like it they can buy the products that say "GMO-free" on their products. Problem solved, without any government involvement. And if you want companies to pay a living wage you can buy fair wage products. Problem solved, without groveling at the feet of any politician. Its disappointing people want to use force to have people speak to their preferences about a range of topics without so much as considering that the problem can be resolved in a civilized way.

The civilized way doesn't work due to the kangaroo courts always ruling in favor of big business. There have been few cases in which they don't. This is why the 2nd amendment (although I don't wholeheartedly agree with it) serves its purpose.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

This is about how GMO can affect the entire ecosystem of an island, which if you happen to live on it is mighty damn important.

You know that sugar cane and pineapple (of the non-GMO) as well as cattle ranching and other imports unalterably changed (ruined) the ecosystems of all the islands, right? A long time ago. Are those fallow fields left after the demise of those industries the "ecosystems" which are in danger?

The "moratorium" is not a moratorium at all. It is an outright ban since it demands that GM crops be proven "safe" before they can be planted. How do you prove that GM crops, or any crop, is "safe?" What does "safe" mean?