U S Sailors Attacked By Mob In Turkey

a reply to: sirlancelot

Now, if only American citizens would do the same thing to congress and the POTUS and his posse, we (the world) might actually see real peace.

The US military is seen this way because of the "wars" they are asked to perform - which, despite the propaganda spewed, have absolutely nothing to do with freedom and democracy.

It's about Oil and Gas.

a reply to: Noinden

I'm betting that wasn't an isolated incident!

a reply to: seabhac-rua

You would be betting right if you are talking about the WW2 event... some soldiers came home to find their ladies on some "yanks" arms and got rather annoyed. Also .... ethanol was involved.

In Turkey? Sailors get into fights the world over. If that was a "terrorist attack" the Turks fricking suck at in

Pretty scary situation to be in.. surrounded by a mob. They clearly aren't the fighting type.
As soon as someone tried to put the bag over the head, I would have gone into fight to survive mode.

I imagine its how many people went missing in Iraq or the wider middle east.. bag over head, couple of punches to the stomach, dragged into a waiting car and never, seen, again!

Good to know the definition of a mob is 6 individuals.

Slow news day?

a reply to: Baddogma

Must be a very slow news day. Not that that is a bad thing mind.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Catacomb
a reply to: intrptr

It sure would have been nice for those sailors to have had an equalizer. I'd have used it in that situation. Nothing worse than cowards who can't face you by themselves. Oh, and I doubt they'd do this to army guys...or marines...nah...two skinny sailors.

Tough guys…

I noticed they weren't proudly representing their nation in uniform either. And they weren't "attacked". If they had been "attacked" they wouldn't be using hoods, they'd be using something else.

Try to see through the veil of how well we are respected in the world at large.

I am looking at this from an individual standpoint. The video ended before I got to see what happened later on, but they were being chased by a group of people. They had already done too much to these INDIVIDUALS. You can say that they represent the evil of the American Empire, if you want. However, I realize that this isn't the case.

I see two men at some checkpoint. Neither had weapons, neither fought back...don't seem to be real evil to me. Both seemed to try to just get away. If these guys were truly evil American soldiers responsible for all of the ills that Islamist propagandists want to slap onto them, then I'd think they'd have some guns, or knives, or whatever they want to use to randomly kill terrorists (I'm being sarcastic...hope you can tell).

It's really ridiculous to say that anything in that video should have happened. It shouldn't have. Those two men aren't responsible for what they were being blamed for, and I believe the ones throwing stones have done the same, or far worse, than what they were accusing those soldiers of representing, and doing.

You see, it's easy to look down on people, when the light of truth isn't on yourself.

a reply to: Noinden

But what if it's attack by ISIS? There's was a thread that brought up the possibility of Turkey being secretly an ally of ISIS. What if those people who attack the American Sailors are ISIS sympathizers?

a reply to: starwarsisreal

Then the Turkish branch od ISIS also suck. Some times a cigar is just a cigar. jumping at every shadow is only going to give people PTSD

a reply to: sirlancelot

Pffftt. Bunch of squid causing trouble like normal.

That's about it.

a reply to: Noinden

I served in Turkey 1968-69. I was in Adana standing on a corner waiting for a bus to return to base and a young (HS ?) girl came up and asked if I was an American. I said that I was. She than said she would like to practice her English and if I would speak with her. I said sure but that when the bus arrived I was leaving.
I don't molest children. I did not approach her.
Next thing I knew a bunch of youths started toward me and began picking up rocks. I ran down the street to the next bus stop and they did not pursue me.
I was in Malatya taking pictures of a lumbermill through an open gate from across the street. Turkey had no local forests. They had burnt them all. I was amazed that these guys had actual boles of good size trees which piqued my interest. Next thing I knew the workers who were totally unhindered by my remote presence started chucking rocks.

Turks are crazy. If they are near rocks, dangerous.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Turks used to roll troops in GERMANY all the time,NEVER one on one,they are eastern trained and so inferior combatants to western troops anyway.

Yes they are so inferior. How long has this war on terror been going on now?

Can you really blame them they are not blind to what America is doing to other nations in the ME.

Sure this was an act perpetrated by a single group, a group who apparently hates America and who doesn't want Americans in their country. There is almost always greater support from the silent section of individuals however, so we can imagine that some percentage of Turks feel the same way, although we cannot say how large this group would be. I wonder if they do the same thing to Turkish citizens who go to or have been to America? I would be willing to bet that this group was composed of Muslim semi-extremists. They are not outright extremists like ISIS, but that could be because this would not be tolerated in Turkey, at least not openly. But I would also be willing to bet that it is people like these who are going to fight for ISIS. I also bet that if you asked them what their reasoning is, it would have something to do with religion. Just another reason why religion should be outlawed to a certain extent. Not outright mind you, but it should be something that is not tolerated as soon as it starts affecting the rights of others. What you do yourself is fine, but leave other people alone, in all things, but especially where religion is concerned.

I think that the US should sever all ties with Turkey. Not because of this incident, but because Turkey is just another nation that cannot be trusted. There are certain nations that can be trusted and who are true allies with the US, such as Britain, but one cannot say the same for a country like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc...The Muslims in the Middle East are simply too unpredictable, and one can never truly know where their allegiances lie. We should have left the region to its own devices years ago. The only reason we haven't done this is because we want the natural resources from the region, and if we didn't need them I cannot imagine the US giving a second thought to what happens there. The only time we would intervene is in the case of a country developing nuclear weapons, or something that can have a much broader impact. The US going into Iraq and Afghanistan was directly linked with Saudi Arabia and the US need for oil. This much is obvious, yet even our politicians will not admit it to us. The same crap has been going on in that region for over 3,000 years, and the US is simply wasting money by giving it to these countries. That money is better kept and utilized at home.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

POTUS and his posse, we (the world) might actually see real peace.

Excuse for butting in. But what would removing Obama do anything again? judging the facts that the Republicans are the same as the Democrats?

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

If only oil companies and defense contractors didn't have so much sway over our government. Renewable energy is so unbelievably feasible now. We should really be trying to build towards a bright future not defending the status quo. Alas greed and power are more influential than reason and love.

With the greatest of respect, having seen first hand the way American air force types behave when stationed in Britain, I'm not surprised they end up in a few dust ups.

There's some real morons in your ranks, I'm afraid.

Edit: I should say some, certainly not all.

a reply to: Catacomb

You can say that they represent the evil of the American Empire, if you want. However, I realize that this isn't the case.

They were just soldiers, symbolic of America. Just like the hoods were symbolic of having the "wool pulled over their eyes" by the American government.

They could have just as easily slipped a cord around their neck and strangled them, but they didn't. It was a protest.

Kind of like when dude threw his shoes at President Bush?

Dunno why they didn't say what most Americans say when abroad.

"I'm a Canadian".

I am wondering if this attack was personal against the US sailors or whether it was symbolic of the hatred people in other countries have for the things that America gets up to and its interference in other country's affairs?

America has the bad press and in Turkey they are living with the poor Syrians who have fled there to get away from either Assad or the rebel groups whom have been armed, supported and probably trained by America.

Today people hgave a pretty good idea of the meddling some country's (including my own) does and if you can't get your hands on those responsible then perhaps in a warped fashion those two men, representative of America were the next best thing.

We are now seeing today on the tv the extent of stuxnet which is american and israeli cyber warfare against iran and the dangerous game these two countries played with the software on a nuclear facility. Great and cowardly action which was completely irrisponsible and could have led to a terrible scenario. I am surprised at Israel b ecause its not to far away from iran to benefit of a nuclear fallout from that country.

I suspect its only by interviewing those involved in that attack that one will find out why it happened.

They got off lightly.

Violence begets violence, and the American Military is no stranger to Violence, Death, Misery and Destruction - The World knows this.

Sorry to break to you guys, but Hollywood and your Media has many of you thinking that the War on Terror is real, and you are adored for bringing Freedom and Democracy every where you go.

Turn off the Tell a Lie Vision and look at what is the real reason behind every battle America is in right now -

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