After much debate.. I have a solution for the U.S.

originally posted by: crazyewok
It hard to give slack when they have voted for the exact same party's that have gotten them into this mess.

There is no one else to vote for, the mechanics of voting in the United States make it almost impossible logistically for a Third Party to win. Duverger's Law makes this very clear.

originally posted by: crazyewok
If in 50 year Im wrong Il give you $1000 USD as we will like both be wealthy and prosperous, if Im right you can give me $1000 (which will likely be worth 1 cent if it all goes tits up) or if we are both in Chinese work camps you can have my days rations.

I'd rather presently have your understanding, friendship and given benefit of the doubt.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: crazyewok
It hard to give slack when they have voted for the exact same party's that have gotten them into this mess.

There is no one else to vote for, the mechanics of voting in the United States make it almost impossible logistically for a Third Party to win. Duverger's Law makes this very clear.

Then the system rigged to fail the public

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Xtrozero

God you make it sound so simple!

No we need to use taxes to incentivize and leverage against bad business practice.
Your not addressing the point your making a broad statement about government and taxes that aren't even relevant. You need to first ask for more clarification before making assumptions.

And you r thought process is why we are in this mess in the first place. We have a bloated and convoluted taxation system as it is because people like you want to use the tax system for control and social manipulation, not for what it was intended--to fund the legitimate expenses and duties of government. As long as people want to use the tax code to control the behavior of their fellow citizens, we will never get out of this.

Flat tax, no loopholes at all, that covers all people so that all people have skin in the game is the answer. That or remove income tax entirely and have a national sales tax.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: crazyewok
If in 50 year Im wrong Il give you $1000 USD as we will like both be wealthy and prosperous, if Im right you can give me $1000 (which will likely be worth 1 cent if it all goes tits up) or if we are both in Chinese work camps you can have my days rations.

I'd rather presently have your understanding, friendship and given benefit of the doubt.

Deal dude I have nothing against you only the frustrating political systems we are both presently under.

a reply to: crazyewok

Not necessarily. Change of paradigm for a political party would need to take place at the local level and percolate up to the state and national level. Not easy, but also not impossible.

You just cannot go out and vote Third Party and have any reasonable expectation that it will affect national-level politics.

a reply to: NavyDoc

From the looks of the IRS you seem to waste more taxes up keeping that organisation than it they likely collect from there oppressive practices, not to mention the cost of the businesses they have scared off.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: crazyewok

Not necessarily. Change of paradigm for a political party would need to take place at the local level and percolate up to the state and national level. Not easy, but also not impossible.

You just cannot go out and vote Third Party and have any reasonable expectation that it will affect national-level politics.

Thats just so cumbersome and restricting.

Least in the UK anyone can start a party and they can just pop out of no were and scare the living crap out the big payers like Ukip doing. sure a 3rd party wont likely win a government here but they can get enough seats in parliament to influence policy.

The people here have a voice and the freedom to choose who to vote for.

It why a lot of us Brits have trouble comprehending the US system as it stands now as its only 1 step better than chinas.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: NavyDoc

From the looks of the IRS you seem to waste more taxes up keeping that organisation than it they likely collect from there oppressive practices, not to mention the cost of the businesses they have scared off.

Agreed. The IRS is a behemoth with it's own court system where one is guilty until proven innocent. If people would quit demanding we use taxation to punish behavior they don't like and encourage behavior they do like, we could do away with the 73,954 page tax code we have now and do away with the IRS and have a simple flat tax or sales tax.

73,954 pages! Think about it, even an army of accountants can keep up with that.

a reply to: NavyDoc

The guilty until innocent tax courts are over here now too Along with civil forfeiture laws so we in the UK feel your pain

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: NavyDoc

The guilty until innocent tax courts are over here now too

Along with civil forfeiture laws so we in the UK feel your pain

Yep. Which is why it boggles my mind that some people want to keep that sort of system going, 'cause "social justice." If we did away with such nonsense, everybody's life would be better.

The H1-B / H2-B visa system is just another aspect of the global socialist/communist agenda. The object is to 'spread the wealth'. Specifically American wealth.

Don't ever think that communism died with the USSR. Even though with that death it was proven to not work, communism, along with socialism lives on... It is now global in scope.

Some examples:
o Senators pay/reward companies to leave the US. link1

Why Did 45 Senators Vote to Reward Job Exports?

The way our economy is set up now, if American corporations really want to ship all their factories and jobs overseas, they can. But should the government reward that behavior? Under the tax code, that’s just what the government does today. Corporations today can get tax deductions and tax credits for firing American workers and hiring cheap and often exploited foreign workers as replacements.

o Outsourced jobs tax break end bill axed - Bill on outsourced jobs fails Senate test link CNN

WASHINGTON (CNNMoney.com) -- As expected, a Senate bill designed to end tax breaks for U.S. companies that move jobs and manufacturing plants overseas failed a key test vote Tuesday.

With a 53-45 vote, Senate Republicans blocked a Democratic efforts to end debate and ultimately vote on a "jobs" bill.

o Prescriptions cost for Americans are through the roof, while the rest of the world gets price breaks on the same medicines.

Economists and Federal regulators are concerned that companies are agreeing to sell their drugs cheaply elsewhere, while piling research and development costs onto their prices in the United States. "Obviously, we subsidize the world," said Richard Zeckhauser, an economist at Harvard University.

NY Times

o Subsidized housing programs going on all over the country. If you look at your county government web site, you will probably find a program that sells available first-class housing cheap to minorities. While whites get to pay full price for the same housing. Nice (socialistic) system we got going on.

The first three articles are old. However, that does not diminish their importance. It rather shows -how long- this stuff has been going on. It's all part of the communist global agenda. Those bad (white) Americans... having so much money.

We're wise to their schemes.

a reply to: onequestion
We need to de centralize our economy away from mega corporations and chains back to smaller locally owned businesses and shore up local economies. Give those business's tax breaks for every living wage job they create, and capital investment vouchers if they can create even more jobs. We need to build the groundwork for a solid economy based on small local shopkeepers. It would make our communities and country stronger if we stop relying on "too big to fail" corporations and banks. Also taxing the rich is not practical as they are such a small segment of the population you would not really get a lot of revenue. Better to put a large segment of the population to work with decent wages and fair taxes.

a reply to: openminded2011

Funny you mention... If you drive around my town you'll see what used to be an old small business literally on every block. It's obvious the people who lived around these little businesses were also the ones who built them and ran them.

I mean on every block too. You can see remnants of what was a booming upper middle class town at one time. Probably all build on hard work and apprenticeships most of these. U sinless owners probably didn't even make it through highschool. They quit to help feed their family and the economy got better and their hard work turned into small businesses.

Now they are all empty and dilapidated. The town is literally in shambles.