Has America Nuked Syria?

originally posted by: ArmyOfNobunaga
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Lol
Sure


And every other nation in the world with satellites are being quiet about it.



I can just see Putin telling his cabinet "yes comrades let's just be quiet about this... America is doing the right thing" looooool

Especially considering they have a large naval base there ... I'm sure they'd be all peachy fine with us using our most massive and deadly weapons there.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum

The U.S. drags itself through the mud quite capably

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Agreed

So why the need to use fiction? Must be a slow News day.

P.S. Your sock is showing.

Until proven otherwise it isn't fiction, it's theory, I would've thought you'd of all people would know that

originally posted by: eyeinoz
no nukes just a big bomb by the look of the pic

It was probably nae palm, or agent orange or something like that stuff that was used in VIETNAM. Another thread talking about RT today saying news stations spreading lies about people came in with burns from a huge fire explosion. Don't know, i wasn't there, but it sounds like chemical warfare going on. Now that we are back in the cold war days again, who wants to believe anything from anyone anymore. I might as well start listening to the WWII rant of Germany's Bable. Are we in the BABALONIAN DAYS? With all this BABBLE BS. going on. Lets Start the BABBLE now. Run at the mouth of he said, she said, they said. WITCH TRAILS anyone. Maybe we can burn a few at the stake or drown or hang. SEEMS logical, RIGHT.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: nukedog

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: nukedog

a reply to: DJW001



Seismographs all over the world? So all nukes are giant nukes by default?

There's no such thing as a little bitty nuclear explosion.

10k of TNT seems to be the smallest payload developed. How big is that?

It would probably be detected as about a magnitude 4+ quake.



Easy reference.



Difficult reference.



In any event, Iran would certainly be screaming about the fallout.

I guess time will tell if IRAN starts screaming about fallout of any kind. I think they will start screaming about chemical weapons being used tho.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: nukedog

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: nukedog
a reply to: DJW001

Seismographs all over the world? So all nukes are giant nukes by default?

There's no such thing as a little bitty nuclear explosion.

10k of TNT seems to be the smallest payload developed. How big is that?

It would probably be detected as about a magnitude 4+ quake.

Easy reference.

Difficult reference.

In any event, Iran would certainly be screaming about the fallout.

Yeah, I agree. In fact, here is the Wikipedia section on the seizmic activity detected from N.Korea's estimated 2.4 kt underground nuke test (from your easy link).

Seismic activity
South Korea and Japan reported seismic activity at 09:50 KST (00:50 UTC). The United States Geological Survey reported a magnitude 4.7 earthquake at a depth of zero and put the center of the tremor about 70 kilometres (43 mi) northwest of Kimchaek and 375 kilometres (233 mi) northeast of Pyongyang, within a few kilometres of the country's 2006 nuclear test site. The Japan Meteorological Agency measured the seismic activity at magnitude 5.3. The Korea Institute of Geoscience & Mineral Resources reported seismic activity in the same area but far stronger than in 2006. The Russian Defence Ministry confirmed it had detected a nuclear detonation in North Korea and was analysing the data to determine the yield. Geophysical Service of the Russian Academy of Sciences has registered underground nuclear explosion conducted in North Korea on May 25, 2009. Registration time of this explosion was 00:54 a.m. GMT (04:54 a.m. Moscow time) with magnitude 5.0. In China, tremors were felt in the prefecture of Yanbian, which borders North Korea, and forced students in some local schools to be evacuated. The test is believed to have taken place at Mantapsan in the vicinity of P’unggyeri (Korean: 풍계리), which was the site of the nuclear test held in 2006.

So, I think there is no way for even a small yield surface nuke to go unnoticed by the entire planet of detection devices.

Maybe they testing because they want their money back too. I guess they'll just have to ask the rothchild's for it. Just knock on the front door of the compound located in Europe and South America. I'm sure the whole family will hand it over immediately.

originally posted by: ArmyOfNobunaga
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Lol
Sure


And every other nation in the world with satellites are being quiet about it.



I can just see Putin telling his cabinet "yes comrades let's just be quiet about this... America is doing the right thing" looooool

LOL exactly!

If the American's dropped a nuke in Syria, the Russian's wouldn't hesitate.

These days people see a large cloud forming above an explosion and think omg it's a nuke, and then all the crazies on the Internet go nuts spreading the missinformation.

If these so called journalists actually did a bit of research it wouldn't take them long to figure out what weapons are being used. They aren't nukes.


As for the ISIS/Turkey thing..wow, it's taken people this long to catch on to that?
Why do you think the Turks aren't going in to stop them in Kobane?
Why do you think the Turks massed on the border, while ISIS surrounded Kobane?
The Kurdish fighters in Kobane have nowhere to run, they are trapped in Kobane. On one side by the Turkish army, on the other three sides by ISIS.


Stop and think for a moment. We are being told ISIS controls large swathes of land across two countries.
Yet the news about air strikes makes it seem like there are only limited amounts of strikes going on. A few here, a few there. Nothing major.

Why?

While ISIS is a threat, we aren't being told everything. There is more going on that's not in the public domain.
There's deal been made that we haven't been told about.


Don't be surprised if the Kurds are sacrificed. In fact a lot of people in the region will be sacrificed.

Look at it this way.
The US and Israel have covertly been supporting, training and arming the Kurds. Anyone remember the new M16's that arrived for the Iraqi army shortly after the war? They suddenly appeared in the hands of the PKK across the border in Turkey and in the hands of the Kurdish Pershmerga in Iraq.
It's widely known now that Israel has allied with the Kurds in the region. There was also a few years ago reports regarding the Kurds in Iran. Do you think it's a coincidence that Israel is using the Kurds in Syria and Iran, and by extension in Turkey and Iraq? The whole region has been destabilized. Not by the Kurds, but by Israel and America.

Fast forward to the Arab Spring. Suddenly America is arming and supporting terrorists to fight dictators that it and it's allies once supported and put in power.
Fast forward some more. Those same mercenary terrorists are now in Syria fighting Assad.
The Arab Spring and Syria are defacto a proxy war against Russia.

They can't get the job done in Syria though, because of Russian backing. They tried the usual dirty tricks by Putin still had them check mated.
So they pulled a revolution in Ukraine and forced Putin's hand there, while at the same time ISIS went bat sh*t crazy across Syria and Iraq, and created a pretext for American intervention in Syria. So far limited to just targeting ISIS.
But they've started bombing Syria. The American people will soon be accustomed to hearing about air strikes in Syria. They wont flinch or care when the news tells them the bombs are falling on Assads forces and America is in another war in the Middle East.

So what we have is two sides fighting each other, the various Islamic terrorist factions vs the Kurds/Assad/and anyone opposed to Islamic terrorism like Dutch biker gangs and Greek neo nazi groups. I think they are the only two foreign groups to join the Kurds against the Islamic hordes. A small relatively unknown Greek nazi group, that's ultra violent anyway, and will now have combat experience, and Dutch Biker gangs.

So they are pitting one side against the other, while arming and training both sides.


It's the same basic principal of divide and conquer, just a bit more complex and shadowy.

Essentially the Muslim world is fighting each other.

Even the largest conventional bombs that the US has will not be mistaken for the smallest tactical nuclear weapon in the US arsenal, at least if the observer is knowledgeable on the subject, much less a larger nuclear weapon. I think the main concern would be the use of depleted uranium tipped weapons, which the US has done in the past, and which alone will cause severe after-effects. It is also possible that the US is using some of the weapons they have been known to use in the past, weapons that should not be used by anyone. Phosphorous weapons are just one of many horrible weapons that have no place on the battlefield in my opinion, much less in an asymmetrical war where the risk of civilian casualties is so much higher.

originally posted by: superman2012
a reply to: SLAYER69
My favourite Duff article ever.

Enjoy!

Be fair: that was back when a video of a contrail in the light of the setting sun was being touted as a missile fired by a Chinese sub off Catalina Island.

Edit to add: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nuke or no it was a big bomb, i wonder how many innocent civilians were killed. But even little kids know what comes around goes around, if you didn't learn his lesson yet in your life, god help you.

I feel sorry for average Israel or USA people (which ever country did this). If my country did anything like this i would cry out loud.

Agreed a reply to: ArmyOfNobunaga

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

These are horrible references. Global Research pretends it's scholarly and academic. In reality it is shortsighted and not very objective. Unless one is interested in conspiracy theory simply for fantasy-like entertainment, then it is exceedingly important to root out all the crap. Conspiracy theorist is another name for investigative researchers/journalist. Global Research is is like yellow journalism for the conspiracy theorist.

Journal New Eastern Outlook (NEO)... It's based out of Moscow. When it comes to western interests, you can't seriously think Russian news is on point do you?

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Until proven otherwise it isn't fiction, it's theory, I would've thought you'd of all people would know that

Well... It's a hypothesis; maybe.

a reply to: eyeinoz

It is amazing what you can do with the MS paint spray can tool
>jokes

originally posted by: JohnFisher
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

These are horrible references. Global Research pretends it's scholarly and academic. In reality it is shortsighted and not very objective. Unless one is interested in conspiracy theory simply for fantasy-like entertainment, then it is exceedingly important to root out all the crap. Conspiracy theorist is another name for investigative researchers/journalist. Global Research is is like yellow journalism for the conspiracy theorist.

Journal New Eastern Outlook (NEO)... It's based out of Moscow. When it comes to western interests, you can't seriously think Russian news is on point do you?

Have you forgotten what site you're on? Haha

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum


Until proven otherwise it isn't fiction, it's theory, I would've thought you'd of all people would know that

Fine, I'll give it one thumbs up

I found the acting to be lacking, the director seems to have taken a vacation midway through filming and the casting could have been much better. I see they saved money on going with unknowns.


Other than that...

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum


Until proven otherwise it isn't fiction, it's theory, I would've thought you'd of all people would know that

Fine, I'll give it one thumbs up

I found the acting to be lacking, the director seems to have taken a vacation midway through filming and the casting could have been much better. I see they saved money on going with unknowns.


Other than that...

Uh-uh and your reply makes me feel like I have just stepped into a Salvador Dali painting.

I notice a lot of replies on this thread seem to be slightly defensive in nature with a few people getting the idea that using nuclear weapons is akin to the images from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This is not the case as I'm sure with tech advancements (and we know how much money is invested in the military), that using weapons with uranium and other nuclear materials would not be like how it used to be.

And as I've said before, the article asks the questions and it's well known that the U.S. primarily has used depleted uranium in past conflicts.

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And as I've said before, the article asks the questions and it's well known that the U.S. primarily has used depleted uranium in past conflicts.

Depleted uranium shells are not "nuclear weapons." Nuclear weapons involve fission or fusion reactions that give off large quantities of gamma radiation, high energy particles, neutrons, ionized particles and assorted radioactive fallout. If Iran isn't screaming about fallout, no nukes have been used in Syria or Iraq.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Zcustosmorum

And as I've said before, the article asks the questions and it's well known that the U.S. primarily has used depleted uranium in past conflicts.

Depleted uranium shells are not "nuclear weapons." Nuclear weapons involve fission or fusion reactions that give off large quantities of gamma radiation, high energy particles, neutrons, ionized particles and assorted radioactive fallout. If Iran isn't screaming about fallout, no nukes have been used in Syria or Iraq.

Many contemporary uses of uranium exploit its unique nuclear properties. Uranium-235 has the distinction of being the only naturally occurring fissile isotope. Uranium-238 is fissionable by fast neutrons, and is fertile, meaning it can be transmuted to fissile plutonium-239 in a nuclear reactor. Another fissile isotope, uranium-233, can be produced from natural thorium and is also important in nuclear technology. While uranium-238 has a small probability for spontaneous fission or even induced fission with fast neutrons, uranium-235 and to a lesser degree uranium-233 have a much higher fission cross-section for slow neutrons. In sufficient concentration, these isotopes maintain a sustained nuclear chain reaction. This generates the heat in nuclear power reactors, and produces the fissile material for nuclear weapons. Depleted uranium (238U) is used in kinetic energy penetrators and armor plating.[6]

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Did you read what you posted? Depleted Uranium is no longer fissile, therefore it is not a nuclear weapon.