A hidden code in the Bible revealed

if anybody reads that j,p, e or d, link i posted, whatcha wanna bet moses wrote E, err no, J...i think.
lol now gotta go read it again

originally posted by: undo
well tolkien was a christian

C.S. Lewis and Tolkien both belonged to the Rothschild's private coven...

I got a letter from a visitor, who was told by a high initiated witch, that both Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were initiated in the H.O.G.D. (The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn), which is a deeply occult, black magic secret society. The Golden Dawn is closely related to Madame Blavatsky's "Theosophical Society". During a discussion about Tolkien and his work, this male witch commented that "The Hobbit" and the rest of the Middle-Earth series was merely an elementary 'primer' for witchcraft.

I got an email from a person who is an initiate in the A.'. A.'., which is a group of people who study Aleister Crowley's Magick and practice it, without being a member of a specific secret society. He told me that Tolkien indeed was an initiate for some time, but was excluded because of "incompetence" (in studying and practicing Magick?).

J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis

a reply to: Murgatroid

i think you're gonna find there's tons of what could be called magic in the bible, but it's just given a different name because the source of the power is different *by source i mean, what's powering it. the idea of sorcery being a magic evil, is actually a misrepresentation of its original medical nature, the drugs from which were abused by people trying to connect with other dimensions via drugs, otherwise sorcery was just mundane medicine. a doctor of today, would've been called a sorcerer in the old testament. and in the book of revelation, the reference is surely about the abuse of drugs by either people or pharmaceutical companies, using drugs to make people sicker, instead of better.

a tribal name for a sorcerer is a medicine man. jesus is the master physician. he's the ultimate medicine man. the master sorcerer. the scare about witches, warlocks and wizards, etc being evil from the pit of hell, is a massive exaggeration of the original context of the words. people will find any reason to go against any level of authority, so it's no surprise that traditions and schools of thought have formed around the idea of doing the exact opposite of what they THINK the bible is saying. heck people don't even need drugs to do evil.

now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying i agree with the golden dawn's practices but i am saying that alot of that is just exaggerated misinterpretation. the people perish from lack of information. who knows how many innocent people have been killed on both sides of that particular issue, when the reality is probably far removed from either position.

I found this interesting:

Epic of Ziusudra

The tale of Ziusudra is known from a single fragmentary tablet written in Sumerian, datable by its script to the 17th century BC (Old Babylonian Empire), and published in 1914 by Arno Poebel.[11] The first part deals with the creation of man and the animals and the founding of the first cities Eridu, Bad-tibira, Larsa, Sippar, and Shuruppak. After a missing section in the tablet, we learn that the gods have decided to send a flood to destroy mankind. The god Enki (lord of the underworld sea of fresh water and Sumerian equivalent of Babylonian god Ea) warns Ziusudra, the ruler of Shuruppak, to build a large boat; the passage describing the directions for the boat is also lost. When the tablet resumes, it is describing the flood. A terrible storm raged for seven days, "the huge boat had been tossed about on the great waters," then Utu (Sun) appears and Ziusudra opens a window, prostrates himself, and sacrifices an ox and a sheep. After another break, the text resumes, the flood is apparently over, and Ziusudra is prostrating himself before An (Sky) and Enlil (Lordbreath), who give him "breath eternal" and take him to dwell in Dilmun. The remainder of the poem is lost. (text of Ziusudra epic)

The Epic of Ziusudra adds an element at lines 258–261 not found in other versions, that after the river flood[12] "king Ziusudra ... they caused to dwell in the land of the country of Dilmun, the place where the sun rises". Dilmun is usually identified as Bahrain, an island in the Persian Gulf on the east side of the Arabian peninsula. In this version of the story, Ziusudra's boat floats down the Euphrates river into the Persian Gulf (rather than up onto a mountain, or up-stream to Kish).[13] The Sumerian word KUR in line 140 of the Gilgamesh flood myth was interpreted to mean "mountain" in Akkadian, although in Sumerian, KUR did not mean "mountain" but rather "land", especially a foreign country.

A Sumerian document known as The Instructions of Shuruppak dated by Kramer to about 2500 BC, refers in a later version to Ziusudra. Kramer concluded that "Ziusudra had become a venerable figure in literary tradition by the middle of the third millennium B.C."[14]

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Epic of Atrahasis

Atra-Hasis ("exceedingly wise") is the protagonist of an 18th-century BCE Akkadian epic recorded in various versions on clay tablets. The Atra-Hasis tablets include both a creation myth and a flood account, which is one of three surviving Babylonian deluge stories. The name "Atra-Hasis" also appears on one of the Sumerian king lists as king of Shuruppak in the times before a flood.
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Tablet III of the Atrahasis Epic contains the flood story. This is the part that was adapted in the Epic of Gilgamesh, tablet XI. Tablet III of Atrahasis tells how the god Enki warns the hero Atrahasis (“Extremely Wise”) of Shuruppak, speaking through a reed wall (suggestive of an oracle) to dismantle his house (perhaps to provide a construction site) and build a boat to escape the flood planned by the god Enlil to destroy humankind. The boat is to have a roof “like Apsu” (a subterranean, fresh water realm presided over by the god Enki), upper and lower decks, and to be sealed with bitumen. Atrahasis boards the boat with his family and animals and seals the door. The storm and flood begin. Even the gods are afraid. After seven days the flood ends and Atrahasis offers sacrifices to the gods. Enlil is furious with Enki for violating his oath. But Enki denies violating his oath and argues: “I made sure life was preserved.” Enki and Enlil agree on other means for controlling the human population.
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The Epic of Atrahasis provides additional information on the flood and flood hero that is omitted in Gilgamesh XI and other versions of the Ancient Near East flood story. According to Atrahasis III ii.40–47 the flood hero was at a banquet when the storm and flood began: “He invited his people…to a banquet… He sent his family on board. They ate and they drank. But he (Atrahasis) was in and out. He could not sit, could not crouch, for his heart was broken and he was vomiting gall.”

The flood story in the standard edition of the Epic of Gilgamesh, Chapter XI may have been paraphrased or copied verbatim from a non-extant, intermediate version the Epic of Atrahasis.[11] But editorial changes were made, some of which had long-term consequences. The sentence quoted above from Atrahasis III iv, lines 6–7: “Like dragonflies they have filled the river.” was changed in Gilgamesh XI line 123 to: “Like the spawn of fishes, they fill the sea.”

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Epic of Gilgamesh

The Epic of Gilgamesh, an epic poem from Mesopotamia, is considered the world's first truly great work of literature. The literary history of Gilgamesh begins with five Sumerian poems about 'Bilgamesh' (Sumerian for 'Gilgamesh'), king of Uruk. These independent stories were used as source material for a combined epic. The first surviving version of this combined epic, known as the "Old Babylonian" version, dates to the 18th century BC and is titled after its incipit, Shūtur eli sharrī ("Surpassing All Other Kings"). Only a few tablets of it have survived. The later "Standard" version dates from the 13th to the 10th centuries BC and bears the incipit Sha naqba īmuru ("He who Saw the Deep", in modern terms: "He who Sees the Unknown"). Approximately two thirds of this longer, twelve-tablet version have been recovered. Some of the best copies were discovered in the library ruins of the 7th-century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_Gilgamesh

Biblical Deluge

The Genesis flood narrative is one of several similar flood myths. The earliest known written flood myth is the Sumerian flood myth found in the Epic of Ziusudra.[2] Later and very similar Mesopotamian flood stories appear in the Epic of Atrahasis and Epic of Gilgamesh texts. Many scholars believe that Noah and the biblical flood-story derive from the Mesopotamian versions, predominantly because biblical mythology that is today found in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Mandeanism shares overlapping consistency with far older written Mesopotamian stories of the Great Flood, and because the early Hebrews were known to have lived in Mesopotamia,[14] particularly during the Babylonian captivity.

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originally posted by: michaelbrux
let me ask the OP one question? have you ever considered the consequences of your interpretations/the impact they have on the lives of teenagers?

To the guy who believes the Bible is the inspired word of God and is worried those who don't believe the same could be poisoning the minds of teenagers and others alike I'd like to point something out. I'm pretty sure you're not suppose to be listening to music "of this world" (secular). I have no doubt the God you believe inspired the Bible would take issue with the majority of messages in the music by 50 Cent and DMX. He probably doesn't want you watching secular movies either. At the very least, could you stop linking them please. They have absolutely nothing to do with the topic whatsoever. Thank you.

Oh and maybe you could offer up some evidence in support of the things you've implied and claimed in this thread? Instead of calling out the OP and scholars as liars and deceivers intent on dividing people. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The burden of proof is on you.

originally posted by: michaelbrux
people claim many things....what happens when they are forced to Prove It?

Provide something besides your admitted drunken rants please!

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: michaelbrux

I'm pretty sure that these are secret Biblical Codes.

well tolkien was a christian. he interwove world politics, bible prophecy and european "mythology" into it. but codes? erm prolly not hehe

Tolkien. Codes? Plenty. He made several functional languages for instance, that you can actually learn to speak, read and write, so there's plenty secret messages in his books if you look closely. Tolkien himself said that he wrote his books to make the mythology England lacks.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I was hoping it was going to say something like we all only have 3 days left on this sick and dying world.

originally posted by: superluminal11
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I was hoping it was going to say something like we all only have 3 days left on this sick and dying world.

Ah, but then you are talking about ACCURATE prophecies. I can recommend the prophecies of Agnes Nutter, witch, that can be found inside the book Good Omens by Gaiman and Pratchett. Armageddon has never been funnier.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Look at this thread, for once someone managed to do a prophecy that works and no one is available for comments.

Prophecies need to be interpreted as well.

Now I continued with the second line following the same pattern using the first line as key. I tried different selections and came up with this here:


The above is Genesis 6:9 (first two lines) plus the two first words of 6:10

אתנחאישתמ ==> Utnaishtim
הבאת התו ==> Hebeta Ha-tav "You Brought Ha-Tav"

Now Ha-Tav can mean a few things. The (musical) Note. The (musical) Score. The Mark. The Last (tav is the last letter in the Heb. alefbet). The Perfect (Kabbalah).



Alternately (and this is actually following the key absolutely) I could use one more letter from the last word of the second line: התה or "Ha-Teh" meaning "The Tea". And following with the two letters from the first word in verse 10, וי "Vey". Giving "Utnaishtim, you brought the Tea. Woe!", or spelled out:

אתנחאישתמ ==> Utnaishtim
הבאת התה ==> Hebeta Ha-teh "You Brought the Tea"
וי ==> Vey "Woe" as in Jiddish Oy Vey

Cuppa?

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: michaelbrux

I'm pretty sure that these are secret Biblical Codes.

well tolkien was a christian. he interwove world politics, bible prophecy and european "mythology" into it. but codes? erm prolly not hehe

Tolkien. Codes? Plenty. He made several functional languages for instance, that you can actually learn to speak, read and write, so there's plenty secret messages in his books if you look closely. Tolkien himself said that he wrote his books to make the mythology England lacks.

yeah i've read all his books, even the farmer book, and the silmarillion (which i gotta say is almost like reading genesis 10, over and over and yawn, over and did i mention over? again. well i suppose genesis 10 is interesting for research purposes though! have to skim to find the interesting parts. hehe)
i had a hard cover of the triology, big volume with all his appendices and languages and maps and stuff. good grief that guy was hard core.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

did you read the j,p,e and d, link i posted on the previous page? that might be incredibly useful for your theory. i was surprised to learn that others had picked up on the same thing and in fact, had been studying the oddities of it, for decades.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

did you read the j,p,e and d, link i posted on the previous page? that might be incredibly useful for your theory. i was surprised to learn that others had picked up on the same thing and in fact, had been studying the oddities of it, for decades.

I am quite familiar with the Documentary Hypothesis and I own a copy of Friedman's book "The Bible with the Sources Revealed" where the different parts of the Torah belonging to the (ten+) different sources-- are marked off with different type formatting. I also have a thread about it if you're interested: www.abovetopsecret.com...

This part of Genesis (6:9ff) belongs to the Priestly or P source (same as Gen. 1, and uses the word Elohim translated God), while 6:1-8 belongs to the Jahvist J source (same as Gen. 2, and uses the name JHVH translated LORD).

However, the first line of Gen. 6:9 "These are the generations/records of Noah" is from the R Redaction source which is the source that compiled all these sources into the five volume Torah we know today. R can be recognised by it's commentary or editorial style and use of "modern" words.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

woot, off i go to read your other thread.

a reply to: undo

Remember to rest your head sometimes when you get the chance, luv You must have been going for days. The brain needs rest.

moses wrote j. that makes sense. the first version. jahvist or yahvist version. and the later e version, likely of mesopotamian source, since they are using a later hebrew version of the sumerian alulim for elohim, rather than the yah version via ham, who took the alulim / adapa / ea (ayah) words to egypt after the black sea food.

i'm guessing the yahvist version (j) was written earlier than 950 bc. like say, 1500bc. so there was probably another, slight variation written between moses' original and the end result, which the scholars are picking up on and assuming means the entire yahvist version was written in 950bc. that's a difference of 550 years, so it's entirely possible

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I think you should be able to dismiss my drunken rants. Proving that equating the Epic of Gilgamesh with Genesis is ubsurd is as simple as watching television, reading the news or coming to a place like this and interacting with others.

Genesis contains far more information concerning the growth and development of a World, the Epic of Gilgamesh talks about one man's story, perhaps the story of his much smaller, relatively insignificant world, in search of eternal life, which he could not achieve although others had.

Utnapishtim appears in the Epic as someone who mocked Gilgamesh and pointed out his many shortcomings and forced him to come to terms with his mortality and the necessity that such a man should die after all he'd done; despite the poems and songs that had been written about him by his people.

Genesis deals with the structure of the event horizon that's in orbit around the singularity at the core of the universe and the story of Noah validates that concept by equating the Ark upon the Waters as similar to the Singularity upon the Seas of Chaos.

that is why the Genesis is clearly inspired, it offers a clear vision in the form of the the Noah Story to describe something that most people have not seen or can not see.

are you trying to tell me that nothing exists beneath the Surface you call reality? are you trying to tell me that Pharaoh of Egypt didn't build the Pyramid in an attempt to explain the nature of how God exists in our world.

if you want to believe that the Pyramid is a pile of rocks or that the story of Noah is just a story about a guy on a boat...feel free to do so, Einstein.

Other people have Worlds to re-build and manage.

remember my theory that moses was having trouble deciding how to write down the creation account because he would've gotten a recount via the scholars of egypt, who got their info from the hamites (khemites) who would've eventually called the alulim/adapa/ea, atum instead, (thus resulting in the problem moses had writing it down)

and his mom's recounting, which was using the mesopotamian version of alulim (and adapa), which would've been something like lil-im and gradually became elohim. (en.lil was the preferred anunnaki god word source of mesopotamia, hence we can still see moon god religion there, to this day.) by this time, enki-ea was already considered the bad guy (cause the references to his activities were buried under 8ft of flood silt till recently, and thus usurped by or accredited to, marduk, by marduk's priests, which is the same issue that happened with nimrod/narmer.

that means narmer introduced the enlil version via upper egypt, whereas the ea version would've been via the khemites in lower egypt.

you can actually trace anu, etymologically, from mesopotamia to egypt, where he became known as amen.

anyway, i think that's when moses prayed for guidance on how to write it down, as you can imagine. if the adam were named after the alulim, who they were created in the image of and named after, how then was he going to contend with the references from a similar source (the khemites), who called the alulim, atum instead? he must've realized these were all the same word but not all applied in the same fashion to the story. poor guy.

a reply to: michaelbrux

Nobody is talking about the Epic of Gilgamesh other than you. Unless you knew it, there are plenty of OTHER stories in the Mesopotamian library. Which are actually about FLOODS. The ones attested to Gilgamesh, then we have Sidhustra, Atrahasis, there's a bunch of them. The Epic of Gilgamesh isn't about the Flood at all, other than it is mentioned when Gilgamesh meets with my namesake and they have a chat about something completely different.

p.s. and for any who do not know, upper egypt is actually south, and lower egypt is actually north. it's based on the source of the nile, which starts in the south and flows northward to the mediterranean.