To all aid relief workers, missionaries and doctors without borders: Stop killing us.

It is absolutely immoral of them to come home, risking the spread of a disease like Ebola to other nations.

a reply to: TycoonBarnaby

Yes, You know what I did, I broke into the white house, put a gun to the presidents head, and made him give me all the information he has on this.

I dont have to hold your hand and walk you through common sense. Why do you care? Scared?

I thought I was some random idiot on the internet with hearsay and unsubstantiated points of view?

DO WHAT YOU WANT. I will check back every week with the new cases popping up and you can tell me how retarded I am for noticing.

I dont owe you a damned thing sir. Get real.

a reply to: tadaman

Are you serious?

Look, I agree with AnteBellum that all persons getting off flights from Ebola affected regions, or who have passed through those regions within a certain time frame of arrival should be quarantined, and I think they should be transported on separate flights to people who have not been in those regions at all, to reduce exposure risk.

But the reality is that samples need to travel from one lab to another, in order for proper vaccines for this particular strain to be created. The people at Doctors Without Borders, and other health organisations are doing far more out there in West Africa, than merely mopping brows. They are offering the only known treatment which can save lives, hydration and so on, in nations which simply could not offer that care themselves, and along side that they bring expertise in infectious disease control to the party which just does not exist in the same skill level in West Africa, and yes, I say that despite the fact that a few medics have come back with the disease. They are on a front line out there, and things get messy.

The fact is, that without medical intervention from the rest of the world, the disease as it stands would be traveling faster than it is, and if there had been more of it last year, when the actual outbreak began, this crap that we are seeing now, just would not be happening.

Having experts on the ground, monitoring the situation and reporting back to a centralised body, means that the disease expansion can be tracked, resources re-deployed to counter it, and without that the infection will spread faster and faster, until nothing what so ever can be done about it.

So in summary, yes, there needs to be better control on people coming and going from regions affected by Ebola. But do not, in saying so, suggest that the people who have gone out there and done ANY damn thing for those affected, are wasting their time, or any less of a sterling bunch for doing so. You can blame the government of your country for being lax in its protection of its citizens, for not providing effective quarantine measures, for not insisting that all persons going to the affected areas remain there until they either die, or the disease dies off, but you cannot have a crack at the only people actually DOING something about the problem at its source!

Good GRIEF!

originally posted by: ArmyOfNobunaga
a reply to: tadaman

Some people are people helpers.... some people are people killers... take care dude.

Correction

Some people are opportunists, others are honest and realistic


"Hey im going to africa, Ill be a hero if I just go there, come back, and brag about my adventures!" Is what some folks actually seem to be thinking, of you think thats all about helping people, you're pretty naive

OP is clearly about the idiots who want to go and help, yet cant manage to actually do # and then just come back to go back to their daily business without even thinking about procedures first

Opportunism at its finest and you are the kind that makes them feel good about it..

a reply to: tadaman
The current epidemic has been running for almost a year now, it is only in the last couple of months that the "west" hit the panic button and started to run round like headless chickens....including you by the tone of the OP.

What on earth do you think those missionaries, doctors etc from the west have been doing over the past year ? Hiding in a freaking hole in the ground ? No they have been travelling to and from western countries. The end result has been :

Total civilians infected in the west in a year BIG FAT FREAKING ZERO !!!!
Total "medics" infected in Africa and brought home who have died BIG FAT FREAKING ZERO!!!!

Look at the reaction of other African countries who identified the infected and put in place isolation procedures. The spread has been BIG FAT ZERO.

IF and only if the current outbreak can be contained where it currently is then Ebola will not spread. Even to the frightened over reacting selfish ignorant souls frequenting ATS.

FYI the only Ebola deaths outside of Africa are Africans who caught it over there.

Let the expert medics do their job! and pressurise the politicians to support them

a reply to: TrueBrit

Like I said, send people, advisers, supplies. BUT FOLLOW PROCEDURE. People who go for a week or a couple days arent the same as people who have resigned that they will see this through and will probably die for their efforts. Big difference.

People arent wrong for being scared and trying to get the hell out of Africa when they get scared of infection and death. They are wrong for going at all if that is their resolve. So far all they did was infect people home. For what? To say they helped? I didnt know the crisis was over. They decided it was time to go home to their well paying jobs and posh lives after a bit of safari.

I only applaud those that are still in Africa. They are probably the only ones who people can say are "helping". Taking a sample doesnt require not taking the advice of our own specialists or not following procedure...or taking basic medical precautions.

If they operated without gloves or sanitizing their instruments and people started to die they would be criminally liable for those deaths.
Why is this different? Because of "feed the children" type BS reasoning?

a reply to: yorkshirelad
Well not for nothing, but no one in Africa was taking this seriously in the first months. They thought it was all BS and hysteria. Then they started dropping like flies and they only recently started taking this seriously. We are like them a few months ago.

When major health organizations press the panic button you dont call BS.

Just saying.

Also,
its been 6 months. Not a year. In a year you will have more people dead than all outbreaks of Ebola ever combined.... its at that level now actually *correction on my part. In 6 more months we will have broken some records for other diseases.....

Do what you will.


EDIT TO ADD: Did you just say that no one died from this outside of initial infected areas? O.o
So the thousands of deaths all over Africa are a lie? Mmmkay. I see what I am dealing with here. Cary on.

West Africa hasnt been infected and this hasnt spread? Sure. O.o

The WHO hasnt been trying to stop this since basically the beginning? The UN? No..? OK....

www.who.int...

What people arent considering when applying a sentimental filter to these infections at home is that these people who go for a little tour /safari of epidemic ravaged Africa, these supposedly medically trained professionals out to "help people", are the ones who won't wear protective suits or follow standard procedure because they dont want to scare the local population. There is no way that trained person who takes this seriously isnt going to wear protective gear because they know the risk of making this worse.

Consider this, everyone that was infected now put everyone they "treated" at risk by cross contamination. Its not like they are only sick to their native population back home. They may have inadvertently killed everyone they came into contact with in Africa, making this much much worse for the very people they supposedly went to help. They took a sample from all infected, mixed it about a bit in their bodies and then spread that death cocktail to others. Its a miracle this strain of Ebola hasnt mutated already.

This is equivalent to an STD clinic sending workers who are supposedly trained to aids infected areas to have unprotected sex and then hand out condoms to aids patients. Then them coming home to open a brothel where they have more unprotected sex.

These people who went and didnt even self quarantine themselves OR wear protective gear like everyone else out of fear of backlash from locals are supposedly trained medical professionals. Everyone they now treat here is at risk. Basic medical knowledge would tell you to not get others sick in the process of treating people who will probably die.

And their supposed resolve to help people....Are we blind?

They LEFT when they are most needed. I think a posh job at home can wait. They are more needed there than here. They left out of mortal fear. That is understandable, but they did it so unprofessionally that its almost criminal. Maybe planning to go for a week or two is a little disingenuous. Maybe the never really wanted to help. Not really. Its not like they couldnt get a job back home later. More importantly they are still needed in Africa. NOW is when you can make a difference. What the hell is so important that you leave?

This is like having AIDS and then having unprotected sex with a prostitute. Worse they are medically trained. There is no excuse.

If you want to praise anyone, send your kudos to Africa where an epidemic is still in its most dangerous stages and people are trying to help.

Those that went and left after a week or a couple days arent praise worthy. They are vultures hovering over bragging rights and a better looking resume.....this is like walking out of an operation in a poor hospital in the middle of it because you were offered more money next door to operate on the rich guy who will let you use his nice house and car when you are done as well.

Their egos brought them to Africa like their comfort made them leave early. Their irresponsibility is criminal at best.

a reply to: NoNameNeeded

Thank you. That really is all I am saying.

To everyone else, thank you too.

Its frustrating to deal with outright idealism, or nativity, or criminal negligence of people. These are probably the same people who think the Illuminati are trying to kill them with toothpaste, but then turn around and say all is well when major health organizations are perplexed that no one is taking them seriously.

Or those that profess climate doom but think that an out of control epidemic is nothing to get all kooky about...

At this point I dont know that we even deserve to not get hit.

a reply to: tadaman

People in Seirra Leone rioted this week due to them thinking the aid workers were purposley infecting them. After the track record of these groups I dont blame the Africans. They should kick all western aid out of their countries immediately.
This is what Nigeria did and they have already contained the outbreak themselves. A 3rd world country contained it why cant an advanced one such as ours.
Theres somethings else a foot here and its not the Ebola Zaire strain.

a reply to: MGaddafi

Maybe.

If you ask me, not wearing a protective suit or at least following BASIC medical procedure, then getting into close contact with infected people then getting into contact with suspected sick but ultimately healthy people would spread the disease fairly quickly.

Its like making a death cocktail..... sampling all sick people, incubating their disease in your body and then sticking into other people through thermometers you use to "help" them.

They probably WERE getting them sick. They are getting us sick.

It really is a miracle this strain hasnt mutated yet. That is what you watch out for at this stage.

a reply to: tadaman

Indeed. The Ebola that has come to the US I think is either a mutated Zaire strain or even may be a weoponized strain.
Wsee how the CDC doesnt care about protocol and this is FEMAs wet dream, they have the Hazmat training and are more so equiped to handle this than the CDC but we havent even heard this agencys name yet in this crisis. If this was really something they didnt want or was trying to get kicked off then best believe that they would jump start the containment but they havent. So this then tells me its an experiment to see how well an Virus false flag op would be.

a reply to: yorkshirelad

I hope you wont have to look back at that post in a couple of months feeling sorry for ever believing what you stated...

Sincerely hope you're right, but I also highly doubt it.

Every day its looking more and more like the incompetence is not incompetence at all, and if that were the case, you're not really doing humanity a favour by repeating the rhetoric that your officials use to make you feel like everything will be ok...

If doctors can come back from a hotzone TO GO BOWLING THE SAME EVENING when he possibly KNEW he was infected, I'd find that more than enough "evidence" to reconsider pretty much everything you just wrote.


Sure, it needs to be contained! The point of this op was to say that allowing this kind of BS to happen IS NOT HELPING IN CONTAINING IT, how you missed that and instead went on calling people selfish and ignorant, is beyond me. If anyone is ignorant of op's point, its you...

originally posted by: MGaddafi
a reply to: tadaman

Indeed. The Ebola that has come to the US I think is either a mutated Zaire strain or even may be a weoponized strain.
Wsee how the CDC doesnt care about protocol and this is FEMAs wet dream, they have the Hazmat training and are more so equiped to handle this than the CDC but we havent even heard this agencys name yet in this crisis. If this was really something they didnt want or was trying to get kicked off then best believe that they would jump start the containment but they havent. So this then tells me its an experiment to see how well an Virus false flag op would be.

There are people on this board dreaming of an actual epidemic, wishing it was weaponised,...

Doesn't take much imagination to think that some people in government could have similar desires... They have the tools etc, they're dying to try them out, at least some of them are I'm sure. This kind of thinking is not exclusive to conspiracy folk, there are enough miserable people living in a dream state, wishing for a "reset" to happen, for all we know this doctor was one of them and there could be many more trying to get the ball going.

Many people feel we are overdue for something to happen, god forbid some of them might be insane enough to lend a helping hand...

a reply to: NoNameNeeded

Another point I would like to make that you comment reminded me of (thanks btw)

These virus strains and outbreaks have happened worse than this over time but in this day and age of technology and social media these events are reported to us. This is only a big deal maybe due to our ability to see it. Before Internet and tv this would be nothing becuase it only affects the regions involved. Now the world is watching and therefore it affects the world.

a reply to: tadaman

Yeah, 4 poepl now have reported positive for Ebola, out of 300 million. What an epidemic ! The OP's right ! No one help anyone - ever !

I hope the OP never needs a help. If he/she does need help, I hope he/she doesn't get it. You get what you give, you selfish bast***.

a reply to: TownCryer

Yeah because official numbers are official.

You always fall in line and drink up the cool aid?

Saying only under a dozen infected is an insult to our intelligence.

Thousands of infected, no control of borders at all. Thousands of flights daily, hundreds of which are from infected areas directly. Thousands of tons of cargo and merchandise coming into our country daily...coupled with the HIGHLY infectious nature of the virus.

Also if you hadnt noticed, there is a 70% death rate from this. The fact that 70% of people infected here didnt die should have you scratching your head. What did they invent a cure? Vaccines arent worth a damn once you are infected....so what? act of God?

IS it possible this is being under reported? You know like the WHO and CDC say? You do know that hospitals have officially been asked to not talk to media about possible infections and that 911 dispatchers cant even use the word Ebola over the radio since people have scanners and instead us the code F/T? Right ? Why set up 24/7 Ebola hotlines in several states? You think there are random idiots in a several states in massive metropolitan city capacity call centers staring at phones that dont ring for no reason? over just a couple cases?

You have to be blind or just an expert in wishful thinking.

I didnt know its beyond governments to lie....you have to show me your ways. How do you believe it all hook line and sinker? Guess I will go about my business and risk infection with a mortal disease then. Possibly spreading an epidemic that IS already global...No need for caution. THANKS!

also I didnt say that we shouldn't help MR teary eyed noble crusader. I said be responsible with those coming back.

I hope you dont get sick, hows that for "hoping".

EDIT TO ADD:
Lets ignore what major health organizations are saying. Because reasons.

a reply to: tadaman

Unbelievable

a reply to: tadaman

Hey, spaz! You know any with Ebola? You know anyone who knows anyone with it? Do your self, your family, and propbaly all of the people whon pretend to be your friend a favor - turn off FOX'NEWS'. You're not going to get Ebola. Not helping those with Ebola is your call. But don't presume to know how other people - people who care about trying to end suffereing - should behave. If eveyone behaved like you, unless you're some kind of super-human, you'd probaly not be here now, (ever been sick before?). You want to live in some kind of made-up, hyper-paranoid world? Go ahead. Just don't expect anyone else to go there with you, except of course for all of the types of people on this thread who agree with you - you know, the one's that don't help anyone else out of fear. That sounds like a perfect place for you guys. Why don't you go there now, and don't come back.

a reply to: TownCryer

Hey dick.

I dont watch TV. Do yourself a favor and go hug strangers on the street. People like you are the ones who made Ebola the crisis it is in Africa. No one believed it at first there either. Several thousand deaths later, they shut the hell up.

people who care about trying to end suffering

Too bad they dont care about people´s suffering at home. OR are actually able to cure Ebola.....

EDIT TO ADD:
YOU= "This hurts my feelings, so I will act out like a dumb ass child and insult people instead of arguing with rational thought and mutually beneficial conversation." Yet you think your so smart in your smug snarky and condescending attitude. You have something valid to say about my argument? Or just BS about me that is more reflective about yourself?

Its not like I am saying this out of racial hatred of Africans you idiot. I am saying this out of concern for public health.

Also, your feelings are crap when juxtaposed to the worth of the lives of potentially tens of thousands of people. Their lives arent worth less just because they are westerners.