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What Is So Bad About Western Societies That Individuals Freak Out Into Terrorists???

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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:11 AM
This is a little-covered issue, perhaps because it took everyone by surprise. Why do folks born or immigrated to the best and most free countries on the planet suddenly turn into terrorists? The following articles relate to Canada, but the problem is the same in the U.S. It's just that Team Obama has embedded Muslim Brotherhood in our government, so the U.S. media has to soft-pedal anything Muslim-Jihadist related.
The Canadian who shot up Ottawa yesterday had a criminal record, and recently converted to Islam.
"In recent months, more than 100 Canadians have sought out conflicts in foreign lands from Somalia to Syria, according to a government report.

"The threat of a “lone wolf” attack is a top concern for Western security agencies, including Canada’s. “Terrorism remains the leading threat to Canada’s national security,” wrote Steven Blaney, minister of public safety and emergency preparedness, in a September report on the terrorist threat to the country.

“As of early 2014, the government was aware of more than 130 individuals with Canadian connections who were abroad and who were suspected of terrorism-related activities,” the report said."

(NOTE: And this "surprise threat" from supposedly "normal" young people or MiddleEastern immigrants, leaves a lot of puzzling questions. Who is radicalizing them? Or are they radicalizing themselves? Do they see a supposedly "Democratic" country fracturing under the stress of evil Agendas, with economic depression, a widening gulf between Haves and Have Nots, and Atheism pushing social thinking toward "try anything and see if you can get away with it"? In other words, how much respect can people have for a society that has such a breakdown of ethics and morality, that the "unthinkable" is now happening everywhere? Like this
"CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — A scandal involving bogus classes and inflated grades at the University of North Carolina was bigger than previously reported, encompassing about 1,500 athletes who got easy A’s and B’s over a span of nearly two decades, according to an investigation released Wednesday.

"At least nine university employees were fired or under disciplinary review, and the question now becomes what, if anything, the NCAA will do next. Penalties could range from fewer scholarships to vacated wins.

"In all, about 3,100 students enrolled in classes they didn’t have to show up for in what was deemed a ‘‘shadow curriculum’’ within the former African and Afro-American Studies (AFAM) department from 1993 to 2011, the report by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found.

"Many at the university hoped Wainstein’s eight-month investigation would bring some closure. Instead, it found more academic fraud than previous investigations by the NCAA and the school."

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:13 AM
It's part of a cycle of violence. When someone grows up and sees the military of a country that claims to be free blow up everyone they knew or loved, destroys their country's infrastructure and just all around makes a mess of the place; you are going to be more than a little pissed off about it regardless of what the country stands for and provides to its people. This is why anyone who tells you that we need to make war to have peace is lying through their teeth. The only peace obtained through war, is temporary.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:15 AM
Yep. Wars like we've waged just create generations of new "terrorists." We'd be "terrorists" too if someone invaded our homeland and killed us or forced us from our homes too, I'm sure.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:34 AM
I'm personally of the opinion that it might have something to do with the wealth of availability when it comes to certain psychoactive/narcotic drugs and the wealth of anti-government propaganda media and subversive cult mentalities along that vein....caution and skepticism of one's Leaders is a healthy and good thing, taking up arms against an innocent person conscripted into that System is quite another.

Too much sudden freedom and individual liberty in the hands of people without an intrinsic sense of self worth, productive hobbies or community involvement is a recipe for disaster - especially when that person feels they have to "prove themselves" against an imagined enemy that's has been given the "sensationaist" treatment via propaganda sources...which can be social, religious or political in nature. The youth are especially prone to buying into these types of delusions to extremes.

But that's just based on what I've seen when it comes to people losing their rails over things such as we have seen lately. Brainwashing is alive and well and trust me, more of it exists on a civilian level than it does in any Official capacity.

The sad thing is, some people fixate on one thing in an unhealthy manner to the point where they lose their marbles and go mentally AWOL chasing after fabricated windmills....and sometimes they take weapons to a battle of wits.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:39 AM
Google imagemsearch places with a high terrorist activity.
Okay , do you want to live there? I don't know if thingsmwere always run down but I imagine having a group of Snackbars firing a WW1 era mg at you from the back of a ford ranger doesn't sound like it would be beneficial.
Plus I like my way of life and am willing to die for it.
Thats why I don't like terrorist and the idea is terrifying.
But the term terrorist is subjective , im sure they don't like having americans riding around in humvees firing .50 cals at them just as much.
edit on 23-10-2014 by reeferdonkey because: last line.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:39 AM
The OP's question reminds me of that woman screaming "why do they hate us???" on 9/11.

There are many answers to this question, obvious answers.

Look at Western society in general, do you like what you see?

Then think about the effects that radical religious ideas and themes have on young impressionable minds.

I could go on.

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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 10:46 AM
I believe it is the same process that drove young people to gangs 'back in the day'. These are largely 20-somethings that feel disenfranchised, are at a point in their lives where they are highly suggestible, and are immersed in violence (both real and virtual). Everyone needs a flag to wave, an identity. Most of these kids feel they have nothing, no prospects and are nobody. They see romanticized potential of notoriety by joining a terrorist organization and are thus swayed.

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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 11:34 AM

originally posted by: jtma508
I believe it is the same process that drove young people to gangs 'back in the day'. These are largely 20-somethings that feel disenfranchised, are at a point in their lives where they are highly suggestible, and are immersed in violence (both real and virtual). Everyone needs a flag to wave, an identity. Most of these kids feel they have nothing, no prospects and are nobody. They see romanticized potential of notoriety by joining a terrorist organization and are thus swayed.

I think disenfranchisment might be precisely what is at the root of much of the "lone wolf" stuff. We've had plenty of students, as the young are wont to do, protest. Unlike previous generations with a penchant for protest (ie. Baby Boomers in the 60's and early 70's), our current young generation doesn't have a whole lot going for it, including higher unemployment rates and increased student debt, to keep it from being quite as assimilated into the society that pummeled it in the face.

The history of extremism/radicalism, however, in the US has been a long one. From 1917-1920, we had a string of bombings here in the US by extremists, including the Wall Street Bombing of 1920 where JP Morgan's bank was victim to a blast. The Weathermen of the late 60's and 70's would be another example of extremism and a penchant for violence. Then, there's always Ted Kaczynski (1978 to 1995) and Timothy McVeigh (1995) if you're looking for more "lone wolf" type of extremism. That said, I think that if we do actually have an increase of "lone wolves" or individuals shifting towards extremist groups, I'd say that the increase is most likely that disenfranchisement.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 11:39 AM
I think its a case of the world becoming smaller and more integrated where we see civilizations in conflict
It"s due time and not beyond possible that we accept alternative lifestyles however harsh or disagreeable they may be.
I have to admit this would be a boring place if we were all the same.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 11:52 AM

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy

Today peaceful revolution/change/evolution in western societies is met with systematic oppression and ridicule by those in power and a lot of propaganda is used to keep the same players in power while not dealing with the problems in society.

Occupy wall street is a perfect example on this.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 11:56 AM
EXCELLENT answers, one and all! With most corroborating what I suspected: Enough blame to go around, from our disfunctional government to our irresponsible lamestream media.

Here's another idea: Young people have grandparents/great-grandparents who proudly served in WWII. And possibly angry/frustrated/disillusioned male relatives who fought for basically nothing in VietNam.

There seems to be an innate desire in most people, especially with young people still in school, to want to be a part of something "noble and better", something that could raise them to more honorable levels, and define their life beyond the standard Obit title of "Beloved Middle Manager". Maybe they genuinely see something "noble and better" in MidEast Rebels who claim they fight for a "religious cause": utm_campaign=20130127-Weekender
Does following the adventures of Batman, Spiderman and Superman inspire or "empower" us to cope with adversity? "Perhaps we love superhero origin stories, because they show the exact moment when a normal guy goes from being Just Like Us to being somehow better, faster, stronger."

Here are some (hopefully) positive ideas:
"Richard Catalano has a storehouse of solutions for problems that beset adolescents and follow them into adulthood: academic failure, teen pregnancy, substance abuse, and violence. (And) the programs he puts forth are backed by hard proof that they work."
Hyper-parenting may actually "demotivate" children and cause lasting psychological damage. "It is intrusive, and hyper-parents don't let their children make their own decisions, take risks or learn for themselves."
Compelling research data suggests that sports fans are less prone to depression and alienation than people who aren't into "sports fever."
This book talks about how "modern life offers us a host of addictive engineered substances, from muffins at Starbucks to drugs, pornography and online games."< br /> TELL YOUR KIDS FAMILY STORIES. IT COULD DETERMINE THEIR FUTURE.
"The number of words a baby hears before age 3 correlates with IQ and success in school. And kids who know their families' stories are better adjusted than kids who don't. So the next time your kids ask for a story, don't conjure up faraway kingdoms. Talk about their grandparents."

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:03 PM
a reply to: GENERAL EYES
Your first paragraph is,I think, a might fanciful. But the rest of your post couldn't be more spot on though could be a little deep for some people. I seriously think the majority of trouble come from the older generation(50.60,70 years and above)the matriarchs and patriarchs of the family, especially if they have come from not so free a society. It's not that they can't change but they do not want to change. They pass on their prejudices to their children, through the drip, drip of brainwashing and so carry on the cycle that they were probably running from in the first place. This mentality is supremely reinforced when the children go to specialist schools where their parents and grandparents ideas of society are paramount above the countries that they are resident in. Different values of living and general running of the family and country.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:07 PM
Here's a list of reasons:

- Social disaffection
- Lack of professional social help services
- Depression
- Lack of income
- Discrimination

The above factors (out of many) do lead to isolation and thus increase the risk of individuals turning to extremist ideologies.

Many Western terrorists are also recent converts to Islam, and may, in their honeymoon period, become easily influenced by extreme factors and interpretations.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:12 PM
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

What Is So Bad About Western Societies That Individuals Freak Out Into Terrorists???

It's not a 'Western Society' thing. If it were, there would be many more terrorists then there are. There are many issues to terrorism and they are found all over the world. People become terrorists in the West and in the East ... in the North and in the South ... In Persia and Asia and the Middle East as well as Europe and the Americas. There is no 'the West is so bad ....' This happens everywhere.

The latest terrorist attack was by a Jihadi in Canada. His family says he had mental health issues.

What causes people to become terrorists? Mental illness ... political and/or religious indoctrination ... economics ... personal situations (abuse in the home, etc) ... lack of education ... any number of things ...

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:14 PM
I blame McDonalds for having crappy toys in the Happy Meals the last 10-15 years.

Honestly, I don't know. I think its a combination of brainwashing and education.

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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:17 PM
I suspect a lot of it is down to a sense of guilt that the individual enjoys a degree of wealth and comfort denied to people (traditionally) more like them.

I think they begin to imagine that our culture has somehow robbed theirs to achieve our status quo.

There might even be a germ of truth in their complaint too in certain circumstances - but that doesn't make it right to punish innocent people.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:31 PM
a reply to: MKMoniker

Simple, like all society's our societys where founded mainly by people of faith and there is a deep human need for something to believe in and for a religion to adhere to as it gives a person and there society a framework that allows them to know where they are in relation to a greater purpose (if only an idea where they stand), it also give's them a moral power above even there highest superior in a society and acts to tie a society together.

In todays world of misguided secularists and atheists as well as a growing Agnosicism in society the supporting mental scaffolding that held there society together is being torn down by them and this leaves the greater majority of people totally rudderless and prone to being tempted by persuasive cults and other world religions such as Islam with it's indoctrination from childhood and it's army like penaltys agains those who would desert it, even though it is at heart an evil doctrine far inferior on the humane scale to the textual doctrine of christianity it has found many ready converts amond the rudderless mass of society left floundering by this secularis/atheist attack on society and society's new spiritless and souless nature of greed is good.

I am a christian by the way but Buddhism and Hinduism also have there problems with the former being the only religion beside christianity (though it is actually a spiritual philosophy rather than a religion dependant upon interpretation) that I think has merit.

posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 12:52 PM
It's the many negatives in our Western society PAIRED with religious fanatism.

(NOT that I am saying an Islamic culture is the better alternative, it sure is NOT, but for them it obviously is).

Also..we're trying to rationalize something which BY DEFAULT cannot be rationalized. (Religious fanatism). This is true whether we talk about radical Islam or fundamentalist Christians, or people defending Scientiology etc. nothing there is "rational". This planet is a planet of idiots, and radicalism and fanatism is just ONE aspect of it.
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posted on Oct, 23 2014 @ 01:06 PM
a reply to: daaskapital

Good list, and you've certainly hit the top half-dozen. But anyone can make a list of "problems". Finding "solutions" and implementing them needs to start with individual effort, and turning grumbling or the blame-game into action for change.

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