Attempted "No-Knock" Raid at My House

a reply to: nenothtu


Strangely enough I've lost a good dog to bears(I think) and to an alligator(I know)...

Mutts are the best dogs imo.

Cheers

a reply to: nenothtu

Those type of doors can be had with sealed hinges, it takes a special tool to remove them, and it would be a particularly stupid person to fire point blank a shotgun at a steel door.

But there are steel doors as well that have hidden hinges. Those however are quite pricey!

Hell, the Gov't is getting rid of old missile silos, if you can't afford one of those, maybe you could afford the door off of one.

OB: "What the Hell is that noise Neno!? Is that a helicopter!?"

Neno with a huge grin on face: "I bought a door, dear!"

OB, looking up: "Oh Hell NO! Take that thing back!"

"But...but...I gotta deal on it!"

a reply to: lovebeck

your right... they want very independent and strong women, who listen... which is an oxymoron... lol..

So they get (occasionally) disobedient but very strong, independent and loyal (sometimes to a fault) women... And they love us for it!

Your right, there is something very wrong with men who want weak women... very wrong indeed. What they are, is weak men... that is their fault...

I'm glad mine is stronger than me... even if it means I get complained at occasionally, for stupid stuff like yelling at a crowd of armed men! men... can't live without them...

hahahaha

a reply to: TDawgRex

only women are supposed to give the "on sale" excuse for purchases! hahahaha. Men say "cause I wanted it" or "cause we needed it honey!"

but yeah... I can see it now...

a reply to: nenothtu

thank you for sharing your story with us, and especially for dropping that list of tips. i imagine some folks, including myself, will have their lives (or at least their minds) running a little easier if they take your advice seriously. thank you. at the very bottom of things, this is proof that handling the situation with a rational mind and a little bit of fighting spirit can pay off for the little guys. and preparation in most cases helps far more than it hurts.

a reply to: roadgravel

I worked taxi/delivery you'd be surprised how many houses don't have numbers posted. In the small town near me the city painted numbers on the curb for 911 access but parked cars etc. often block them.

With all the no knock searches showing up at wrong addresses, people need to display house numbers 10' high in their front yard. Especially in cities.

I'm out in the county no neighbors for a couple miles. We were turning into an info center. People trying to find land, residents giving piss poor directions, lost service vehicles/EMTs spotlighting us, one patrol car lights blazing pulled right up in my front yard at 2am because he saw a stray pony on the road, it's open range duh!

One rude bunch demanded to use my phone. I told them in an emergency I'd make the call otherwise they need to hit the road or I'll turn the dogs loose. We got sick of it, posted huge numbers down by the road and put up a gate at the end of the drive. People stop, look at the numbers but keep on going.

nenothtu made a great point about high decks with no outside access. We have an upper deck for our hot tub. We can see everything from up there and the only access is from inside. That's where the hubby/I always greet strangers, they won't see what we have in hand unless they're unfriendly.

Really glad we have it. A long horn bull attacked our dog, tossed him into the air. We got the dog in but the damn bull could see him through our big windows. That bull was pissed, he was coming in. The kids/I ran to the upper deck. The dog was going off wouldn't get away from the window, with only seconds to spare my crazy hubby pulled the shade LOL. It's all he could think of but it worked.

I love my upper deck, I call it my "widows walk." We have a rope ladder so we won't get trapped up there.

a reply to: OpinionatedB

That's why I mentioned mailboxes. They are usually marked out at the road for the postal service and that's how most people find a rural house location. The mailbox number at a road leading to a house.

Where I live we have what are call 911 addressing which is where the house numbers start and are based on a distance from a cross road. If the entry is one mile away the number would be 1000 and 1.5 miles is 1500. It's 1000 units per mile and fraction there of. Nice since if someone is 10134 you know it's just over 10 miles out.

a reply to: Morningglory

I hear ya. In some cities though there are rules requiring specific size numbers and placement just for the reasons you mentioned. Of course you can bet enforcement is only when a broken law is need for some reason.

People who use google maps and GPS may find that many roads are mislabel also. I know that is how it is out here.

Glad to read that you and your family are all safe. I TOTALLY enjoyed reading your account of what happened. You're a great writer as well as protector.

a reply to: roadgravel

We don't have mailboxes. Rural mail is delivered maybe 2x's per week so most of us use PO boxes. Most cops/EMTs know where to find us but it can depend on the driver/dispatch.

We've had two different addresses. When our road changed from private to county all our addresses were changed. So it's kind of confusing. It took years to get a sign at the paved hwy marking our county road. Some are still unmarked so we often see ambulances wondering around at night.

Out here if you want to be found you have to make the effort but there seems to be no shortage of @$$ holes who manage to find us.

a reply to: roadgravel

I'm not sure on the hows of the numbering system here. But how it is on our particular road, is by the paved road there are three mailboxes. There is one gravel access road off that paved road where all the mailboxes sit, and off that gravel access road there are built three houses into the side of the mountain right here at varying space from one another.

The order to the mailboxes is the same order the houses are in when you look at them, but I am not sure how the directions were given. It would be difficult either way. We have no curb, no one road for each house either... just a drive coming off the access road with no way to mark it.

And the front door most people miss... since everyone who doesn't know the house seems to try to come to the basement door instead of what is actually the front door, (steps to climb to get to the front door, no steps for the basement door) but that is just how the house is and how its built into the side of a mountain.

Regardless it would have been difficult for the cops. They should have checked the directions though... when what was told to them did not appear to match what they saw, however.

lol... and after reading this post, you know why the cops ended up at the wrong house! hahahaha. I'm so glad fed ex and UPS can find us! Even if they cannot manage to find the front door!

a reply to: roadgravel

You make a great point about GPS. City people need to throw them out the window when they get out here. I was working in town, a lady with a young daughter asked about directions to the Sand Dunes. I told her to take the state hwy out of town but she insisted her GPS showed a shortcut.

I know the road well it's 4-wheel drive, hiking/horseback only and closes in winter. It was early spring there's no way she was going to make it in her car. She'd get far enough up the gravel road to get stuck. The road turns into something resembling a rocky creek bed. It's a damn mountain pass at altitude, drop offs on either side/no turning back. She wouldn't listen, gave me a look stormed out. Guess she thought I was leading her astray on purpose.

a reply to: Morningglory

Our GPS tells us the access road is on the other side of the pavement and another access road from where it actually is. If one was to follow GPS here, at least my GPS, it would take you somewhere else entirely...

It's sure nice GPS, but certainly not always correct!

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: nenothtu
a reply to: Answer

Then we're good - all except that part where you're calling me a liar...

Or you could admit that you made up this story and be a decent fiction-writer instead of a liar... your choice.

One man's lie is another man's short story.

I'm with you on this one.. this REALLY sounds made up.. no offense OP.. decent story, kept me reading until the end at least.

a reply to: nenothtu

Lol, they tend to be difficult to count when you're looking down their barrels! :-P

a reply to: nenothtu

8) For cops only - never, EVER, allow yourself to be in a "no-knock warrant service" party. The other guy might not know who's trying to break into his house, and act accordingly. It would be really bad for you if he acted accordingly before you were in position to spring your surprise, and torpedoed your ass. What if I had just shot the guy hiding around the corner? It could have easily happened - I could see him plain enough to perforate him , and he was obviously up to no good - GOOD people don't slink around your house in the middle of the night! The only thing that saved him (and me) was that I wanted to find out where his buddies were first.

See the red dot, shoot a lot. Make sure it's sufficient to penetrate walls and light armor.

Maybe we are lucky and the police haven't figured out that with satellite views a person can basically see whats down every highway, gravel road and trail. You can even get address numbers (what google thinks anyway) for houses. Now I wonder if that might be part of the problem/

Hi Neno,

First of all I am so glad that noone got hurt.

You put alot work into this thread and the OP. I was really surprised to read some of the comments on the first page (all I have gotten to so far) and how people just cant relate to reality as it is.

Anyway, I did read every word and was spell bound by your and your families experience. Hope everyone is ok even cousin George.

Do you have dogs? What did they do during this, any waning from them at all?

Edit to say, Ok dog question answered, am going backwards and am at page 5 now... Great to see your wife jump in and help answer questions too, like on the porch with the acre of cops, lol, just cant get her to hesh up.

Seriously, it is an important thread with a hot discussion topic as we have that APB for the Prepper dude in the woods still evading the cops, for an instant I wondered if your experience could have been related.

Ok carry on!

originally posted by: Answer


Oh I don't care if you care.

Just pointing out that it's a work of fiction so the more gullible readers don't take it too seriously.

So,
How do you know he's lying.
I mean, that's what you are saying right?
That he's a liar.

I'm assuming you were there watching when all of this didn't take place?

You should hear the story about how they delivered my divorce subpoena at 3 am with a backup squad of... I-don't-know-what-they-thought-they-were...they had more guns than an infantry platoon.

Seems my ex had ...elaborated... quite extensively, to the courts when asked for my location.

It happens more than you think. Maybe not as humorous though.

originally posted by: miniatus

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: nenothtu
a reply to: Answer

Then we're good - all except that part where you're calling me a liar...

Or you could admit that you made up this story and be a decent fiction-writer instead of a liar... your choice.

One man's lie is another man's short story.

I'm with you on this one.. this REALLY sounds made up.. no offense OP.. decent story, kept me reading until the end at least.

No offense taken - I might not have believed it myself if I hadn't lived through it. It's sometimes hard to step back far enough to see how something might look in the eyes of another, but there are some stories I won't tell for that very reason - if I might not believe it after having experienced it, my assumption is that it would likely sound plumb crazy to someone who hadn't!