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Germany's intelligence service believes Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by pro-Russian rebels using a missile taken from a Ukraine military base, a German newspaper has reported.
The finding contradicts previous claims – including by Prime Minister Tony Abbott and US Secretary of State John Kerry – that the missile was supplied by Russia.
Sunday's Der Spiegel reported that the BND, Germany's foreign intelligence service, had completed a detailed analysis of the July 17 tragedy, in which all 298 passengers and crew died.
Ukraine has accused Russia of being directly responsible for the attack, and its own security service provided recordings of calls that it claimed proved the link.
In July, the head of Ukraine's SBU, Vitaly Naida, said it had "clear evidence" of the involvement of Russian citizens in the attack on MH17, which he had provided to international intelligence services.
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, in his recent "shirtfront" challenge to Russian President Vladimir Putin, said those on board MH17 were "murdered with Russian support".
originally posted by: cuckooold
Like many, I was under the impression that the missile was supplied by Russsia to the pro-Russian rebels. If the report is true, it still lays the blame on the pro-Russian rebels, but certainly does nothing to aid the claims of the Ukrainians, nor the belligerence and credibility of Tony Abbott.
originally posted by: rickymouse
I'm putting my money on this German report.
Khodakovsky said he did not know where the missile system had come from but it may have come from Russia. He added the separatists had seized several Buk systems from Ukrainian bases, but none of them were operational.
This is a CIA report ... and it's a lame one at that. But, it'll probably boost the self confident of gullable idiots in Europe.
Their only winning move, is the trump card ... nuclear arsenal. Which will in return stop any European/US provokation, and call upon a new investigation in Europe, on the issue. This in return, would play into the hands of the Russians, and not the US.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: bjarneorn
You truly are clueless aren't you?
If the CIA runs Germany why would they have made such a stink over the CIA in Germany?
Interesting, but even the separatists leader said the BUK systems they got from Ukraine were not operational....
"Germany has no reliable evidence"
RT: So far, the investigators have only made very basic conclusions, as seen in the report they had released. How could Germany have already reached such a definite conclusion?
ST: Well, first of all, the question is whether Germany really did come with a fairly definite conclusion or whether this is an exercise in disinformation or propaganda. I think it is the latter because whatever the German intelligence, the Germans, might have had at their disposal to conclude that the rebels obtained the Buk system from the Ukrainian base, that there was no Ukrainian jet fighters in the vicinity of the aircraft and so on, could have come only from US satellite sources, not from Germany’s own which it doesn’t have.So the fact that it was made public, and the fact that the information was presented allegedly to the German parliamentary subcommittee and not to the official investigating body, to my mind, simply means that the MH17 issue is being kept on the backburner as a propagandistic tool of various Western powers to be deployed if and when needed and then to be put back on the backburner again.
The satellite images that would show who is responsible for the attack on MH17, are known to the Dutch government. According to the Ministry of Security "all lines are open to sharing information with the Research Council and the Public Prosecutor."
The German BND is not an independent intelligent service but more like a CIA branch, Manuel Ochsenreiter, Editor-in-Chief of Zuerst magazine, told RT. Its so-called evidence on the MH17 tragedy is questionable and contradicting, he added.
German BND foreign intelligence agency's conclusions on the alleged downing of the Malaysian Boeing crash in eastern Ukraine can be interpreted in a way that implicates Kiev in the crash, as mush as the local militias, a senior Russian lawmaker said Sunday.
"The German intelligence stated: The Boeing was downed by a Buk missile system 'captured by militias.' That means Russia was not involved. And the Buk could have been launched by the Ukrainian Armed Forces," Alexei Pushkov, who heads the Russian lower parliamentary house's foreign affairs committee, said on Twitter.
The review also discovered that some of the evidence on the MH17 crash provided by Kiev had been falsified, Der Spiegel reported Sunday. Photographic evidence provided by Ukraine on the crash had been manipulated and "there are details indicating this", the newspaper cited Schindler as saying.
Pro-Russian rebels have not shot flight MH17 out of the sky. That's what rebel leader Andrej Purgin said today in response to an article in the German newspaper Der Spiegel.
According Purgin the Buk missile system is very complicated and the insurgents do not have the knowledge to deal with it.
Well, if the Russians didn't supply it,