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S&F for such a detailed post. I must admit that I do not know much about JW and thought they were just another 7th Day Adventist type of group. WHat is this "144,000" you mention several times?
originally posted by: ladyteeny
the JW cult is insidious. i find it ridiculous that supposed grown people can't see that living by the words of someone that lived a mere 100 years ago is utterly wrong.
originally posted by: alexball
Jehovah's witnesses make good test subjects for extremes of blood loss, since they reject transfusions.
This fuels the discoveries of alternatives to transfusions, which are effective (albeit expensive).
Anyone who promotes science, regardless of their motives, has my respect.
originally posted by: Sparky63
a reply to: Qumulys
Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.
There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.
It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.
originally posted by: Cinrad
originally posted by: Sparky63
a reply to: Qumulys
Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.
There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.
It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.
I spent the first half of my life trying to be good and was pretty good at it, never smoked, never gambled, never slept with someone I was not married to. Of course I used to have ideas of blowing up buildings and bringing down society, or going on a shooting rampage. The fact is that no matter how hard you try, you can't be good - no one can. There was only one man on Earth who was perfectly good. I only learn't that when I got out of religion and got into Jesus. So the point is to stop trying to do it yourself and let Jesus do it for you. Because even when you don't feel like being good, He does and after a while it even rubs off on you. I don't want to hurt anyone now, quite the opposite I help the hurting when I can and am in the volunteer civil emergency service to protect my community in times of trouble.
The bit about JWS being nice to you just to get you hooked is mostly true.
The not taking blood transfusions is a complicated theological thing based upon Gen 9:4 "But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat" a command given to all humanity and the fact that it is the blood of Jesus that saves you not the blood of another person. There are rumors that Franz introduced this when he had nothing better to do and when it was pointed out all the legal trouble they would have with it, he responded "it will good for the brothers to have trouble, it will make them feel like they are being persecuted". But the thing the forget is this: Matthew 23:16,17 "Woe unto you, ye blind guides, that say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor. Ye fools and blind: for which is greater, the gold, or the temple that hath sanctified the gold?" What is more holy, blood or the life that it sustains? Ask that to the JWs next time they knock at your door and have fun watching them try to process it.
I wonder how many people would choose as an adult to be molested as a kid if they had something to gain for the suffering later on in life? I think your answer will really depend much on your current finiancial security right now.
originally posted by: ladyteeny
my ex daughter in law was brought up in a JW household too. she was sexually abused from an early age, as were other children who i've since spoken to. she managed to get out of it but when my grandaughter, her daughter, was 4, her mother (a staunch jw advocate) offered to buy her a new car if she rejoined the community. which she did. i've not seen her or my grandaughter since then, 2 years ago, but i worry every single day whether history is repeating itself and i fear what i might do should my fears end up proving to be right.
the JW cult is insidious. i find it ridiculous that supposed grown people can't see that living by the words of someone that lived a mere 100 years ago is utterly wrong. i hate everything about the JW "religion".
i feel for you about being disfellowshipped, it's hard losing your family, but think of it as you're the only one with any real sense
really? They've done a terrible job in that case considering the explosion in the human population.... Unless that was all part of the plan, ya know massively expand the population, destroy the planet through pollution, GMOs kill off entire species of animals, leak nuclear radiation into the oceans and all the rest.... And the wait for BAM! We annihilate each other in a spectacular fireworks show of a nuclear holocaust.... And no I'm not being crass.... Well maybe about the 8000 year old plan by some ambiguous evil to cause us all to kill each other. I hate to say it but IMO Humans are more than capable of hate without the need for some sinister cosmic influence.
originally posted by: odaeio
No "modern" religions respect the creator - they are all commited to his enemy. They all originated from the same source 6 to 8000 years ago. They may have split over the centuries, but all retained the pompous arrogance that man is more intelligent than his creator, and that all of his other creations are "the enemy" of humanity. This was a fiendish plot to destroy all life on this planet permanently - including humans themselves in the end - as can be evidenced by the absolute belief that this doctrine MUST be forcibly hammered into the skull of every human on the Earth. Humanity was co-opted by the creators enemy and turned into a formidable army whose sole purpose is total destruction of life on Earth, an extremely successful strategy, which is being overwhelminging propagated to this very day!
originally posted by: Sparky63
a reply to: Qumulys
Yep, and Christians of all persuasions are not supposed to get drunk or fornicate, yet my good Catholic uncle and his live in girlfriend attend mass every Sunday, and my Baptist cousins don't seem to mind going out partying on the weekend and waking up with some girls they managed to pick up at some club.
My Uncle Pat , who is a Mormon likes to get drunk and beat his wife every now and then. His son who was a Mormon Elder shot his ex-wife in the face and kidnapped his son.
Muslims are not supposed to eat pork or drink alcohol but the ones I work with will slam down a pitcher of beer and a pepperoni pizza like there's no tomorrow and then go to mosque every Friday.
There are hypocrites and people who have "weak faith" in every religion.
It should come as no surprise that Jehovah's Witnesses are no exception.
By the way the Ops story is complete BS.
originally posted by: intrepid
Lovely piece of fiction. Should be in Short Stories. Bullet points:
1- No 16 yo would be chosen to be a MS.
2- The 144,000 were collected from the Jews of Jesus time to now. The "Remnant" are extremely limited.
3- Which Bethel? I've been to one of them. Not that it really matters, it's crap anyways.