Clashes Erupt Outside Ukraine's Parliament in Kiev

Ukraine's parliament in Kiev as deputies inside repeatedly voted down proposals to recognize a contentious World War II-era Ukrainian partisan group as national heroes.

Svoboda said its members were not responsible for the unrest, which police said was orchestrated by a small group of people at the rally.

Clashes Erupt Outside Ukraine's Parliament in Kiev

Remember the claims that that Svoboda and other fascist parties and militants were not the responsible for the PRO EU protests this suggests otherwise that they were.

This is the first time that a western news outlet had reported and had made references to the Svoboda and in which they have Thousands of supporters.


In the western mainstream news outlet claimed this is was all Russian doing, well this suggests that Russia was not responsible. What the nationalists in western ukraine wanted is to recognize a contentious World War II-era Ukrainian partisan group as Ukraine heroes.

The same Ukrainian partisan group whom has being collaborating with the fascists in WW2 to kill Russians. Or anyone loyal to the Russian side, western side.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

So if the "junta," as you Putinistas call it, is composed of Fascists and neo-Nazis, why do they keep voting against honoring the real Nazi collaborators? You have just posted definitive evidence that Svoboda has virtually no influence in Ukraine. Thank you!

a reply to: DJW001

…why do they keep voting against honoring the real Nazi collaborators?

Stereo typing aside. Because the "Real Nazis" will always hide from public view.

a reply to: DJW001

Putinistas

Now that's funny!!!

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Remember the conversation we had about you posting information in a manner that changes the intent of the article for your own reasons?

is there any reason you omitted information from the article?

This is the entire portion of the article that you decided to chop up -

Clashes broke out Tuesday between demonstrators and police in front of Ukraine's parliament in Kiev as deputies inside repeatedly voted down proposals to recognize a contentious World War II-era Ukrainian partisan group as national heroes.

Thousands of Svoboda nationalist party supporters rallied earlier in the capital in celebration of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, whose struggle for independence for Ukraine was tainted by its collaboration with the Nazis.

Later, masked men attacked and threw smoke grenades at lines of police outside parliament as lawmakers met inside. The Interior Ministry said 36 people were detained by police.

Svoboda said its members were not responsible for the unrest, which police said was orchestrated by a small group of people at the rally.

Ironic that you left out the fact the Police stated the same, that the unrest was caused by a small group of people.

Is there any chance in hell that you are going to present an article at face value and make your position based on facts and not chopped up paragraphs with lines left out and you adding your own punctuation to end a sentence instead of allowing it to be left open since its not the end of the article?

Would you like to apologize for misleading the people and altering an article in order to support a claim you have consistently failed to do so on its own merits?

So this is all you have left?
Lying to people by changing paragraphs in an article that dont support the claims you made.

Admit it now - You dont care about facts but only information that you can change in an effort to support your failed effort to make the Ukraine government out to be something its not, and something you have consistently failed to show / prove?

Keep it up and i'm going to start reporting your threads that you intentionally change and manipulate / omit information to admin as a violation of the T and C. Are you really this incapable of making your argument using facts instead of subterfuge and flat out lies?

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Remember the claims that that Svoboda and other fascist parties and militants were not the responsible for the PRO EU protests this suggests otherwise that they were.

And where exactly does that get proven by this article?

So every protest that happens in Ukraine is going to be proof Svoboda was responsible for the conflict caused by Russia annexing Crimea and supporting the separatists with troops and weapons?

Good try but you have failed to prove anything with this article except that they have supporter which was already known long before now.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
And where exactly does that get proven by this article?

Its in the section he intentionally edited to make the article sound like Svoboda was responsible and was merely refusing to take responsibility for its "members" who caused issues outside with police.

a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Very telling who immediately showed up to post anti Russia viewpoints LOL,

originally posted by: ExSmokerYes
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Very telling who immediately showed up to post anti Russia viewpoints LOL,

no more telling than the op editing the article in an effort to turn it into something its not. No more telling than you coming in and concentrating on the people who called him out instead of addressing the issue - the intentional hack job of the article to show something that is not true.

Excuse me and the others who want information that is not intentionally changed or omitted because of an agenda some want to run.

Unless you don't see an issue with an individual intentionally misquoting an article, removing information from the paragraph that adds context and then trying to use the edited content to blame a group who he has been gunning for for sometime by trying to link them to control of the Ukraine government.

Are you ok with the op intentionally changing information in the article on his own?

a reply to: Xcathdra

I find it suggestive that it was a small group of about thirty people who were responsible for the violence, which Svoboda claims were not part of their protest. This supports the theory that the violence on the Maidan, and later in Odessa was the work of outside agitators and Russian agents provocateurs

a reply to: Xcathdra

Remember the conversation we had about you posting information in a manner that changes the intent of the article for your own reasons?

That is all they have left.

a reply to: ExSmokerYes

Very telling who immediately showed up to post anti Russia viewpoints LOL,

And it's very telling you post a reply such as this.

So anything that has to do with the topic at hand or are you just going for the personal attacks today?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Its in the section he intentionally edited to make the article sound like Svoboda was responsible and was merely refusing to take responsibility for its "members" who caused issues outside with police.

Amazing how it goes from this is proof to not even close when you read the article.

But I really don't expect anything less from the Putinista's anymore.

The place is falling apart rapidly. I think that's why Nuland was sent over, to give the marching orders to Porky Poroshenko and get the fighting ramped up again before it all goes to pot.
Even the Ukrainian conscripted army is demonstrating over their treatment, lack of pay, conditions etc. I can see Porky and his cohorts getting ousted too at this rate.

When that happens, no doubt there will be certain individuals rushing to the forums to point the finger at Russia again for that too!

originally posted by: Britguy
The place is falling apart rapidly. I think that's why Nuland was sent over, to give the marching orders to Porky Poroshenko and get the fighting ramped up again before it all goes to pot.
Even the Ukrainian conscripted army is demonstrating over their treatment, lack of pay, conditions etc. I can see Porky and his cohorts getting ousted too at this rate.

When that happens, no doubt there will be certain individuals rushing to the forums to point the finger at Russia again for that too!

My mates from Ukraine originally flew out there a week ago, came back, reckons the place is literally falling apart. Says hardly anyone wanted a revolution, now lack of essentials, all the factories closed down, fuel, electricity gone through the roof.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Not that you'd get that impression from the rather silent western media!

The levels of silence, misreporting or plain simple propaganda from the press has been staggering. Anything negative is forbidden under orders I guess.

a reply to: Britguy

On the contrary.. Its discussed however not in the manner you and others want it portrayed. There is no denial on the state of the Ukraine economy. The issues are within who is responsible for the problems, which would be the pro Russian rebels / Russian military and Moscow when they invaded Ukraine. The Ukraine economy sucked before Yanukovych was lawfully removed as president.

The Ukraine economy sucked prior to the mess, simply because it was under the boot of Moscow. now that Ukraine looked back towards the EU the Russian are determined to do as much damage to the Ukraine economy as they can.

That is evident in the treaty between the EU and Ukraine, where russia is throwing a hissy fit because if Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU, it would force out Russian products. Russian wants over 2k items removed from the trade agreement with the sole purpose of protecting the Russian businesses that make and sell them.

Once again Russia is demonstrating they font care about the former SSR's so long as Russian interests are priority over those of the former ssr itself.

With that said do you guys have anything on the misleading op info that was intentionally changed to become something its not?

a reply to: Xcathdra

The Ukraine economy sucked prior to the mess, simply because it was under the boot of Moscow. now that Ukraine looked back towards the EU the Russian are determined to do as much damage to the Ukraine economy as they can.

You might as well look under your beloved Georgia whom is under the influence of NATO and the western nations its economy is not being controlled by Moscow.


And already its economy has being suffering for a quite while now. Now the majority of Georgians are questioning there own ties to the west.



now that Ukraine looked back towards the EU the EU are determined to do as much damage to the Ukraine economy as they can.

There you go fixed it for ya and you know why? no one wants to join an empire that its sinking.

originally posted by: ExSmokerYes
a reply to: Agent_USA_Supporter

Very telling who immediately showed up to post anti Russia viewpoints LOL,

Indeed. And quite rather fast i might add,

a reply to: DJW001

You have just posted definitive evidence that has virtually no influence in Ukraine. Thank you!

Why dont you go back and read the article before claiming that Svoboda has virtually no influence in Ukraine otherwise it would make more sense that your supporting Svoboda.

In which its not surprising why some here are quite defensive on it.