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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Given the history of religion, people, especially Christians or Jews, who only see the violence of some Muslims and then stereotype all Muslims, while ignoring the countless military excursions started by the Western and "Christian" leaders and soldiers, are clearly hypocritical and at best, ignorant.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Yes, there are extremist Muslims. However, the vast majority factually are not. Not one that I know personally is an extremist. They are all pretty normal. I hang out with some of them quite often.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Yes, there may be some problematic texts in the Koran and also some violence back in the day as well as now.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Well, a western Christian or Jew has no right to talk about that unless they also talk about Western aggression over the last 2000 years, including the Crusades and George Bush invading Iraq. Before you guys talk about the thousands of people Muslim terrorists have killed, look at the fact that Bush Jr.'s Iraq War II resulted in approximately 200,000 dead Iraqi civilians. He was a "Christian" president. Look at Vietnam, also executed by "Christian" presidents and nations. Also an illegal war. Resulted if I am correct in more than around a million dead. Look at colonialism, wherein European nations factually justified the taking of African, Asian, and American lands from indigenous populations because "Europeans are better" and because all of those peoples were savage heathens. They enslaved, tortured, or force converted hundreds of thousands or millions. How, pray tell, can you only call out the Muslims for being violent or for wanting to establish a universal caliphate when the Europeans and Catholic Church were trying to do this for hundreds of years?
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
AND, the Old Testament is filled with very violent and genocidal actions by the Israelites, so therefore once again if you point one finger at Islam, "four are pointing back."
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
The basic facts are over time, that "Christians" have killed and oppressed more Muslims worldwide than vice versa. The West has been occupying, attacking, couping, and manipulating the country borders of ME countries for several hundred years. Have the Muslims been doing so recently to Europe or the US? NO. The West colonized the ME and Africa, NOT the other way around. How is that for "imminent danger?"
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
This is why critical thinking is hard for most people. They can't look honestly at their own culture and religion because to do so would raise too many difficult questions, such as "is my religion really showing the fruits of the spirit," or "is America the best and most free country on Earth," or "how is it possible that Christian and Catholic people and nations have committed so much violence?"
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Now, what might be acceptable is to call out orthodox and organized religion in both circumstances and their seeming inability to produce the "fruits of the spirit" and awareness that they purport to do, that seemingly massive atrocities have been committed by often the most fervent believers, of BOTH Christianity and Islam. That for SOME religious people, their religion produces extremism and violence, not peace and love. That there is something missing. What is not acceptable is to stereotype an entire group of people, dismiss an entire religion, nor only look at the sins of one while ignoring the past of your own.
Well there you have it.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I for one am not a follower of either, but do consider myself spiritual.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71
I also lock my front door when I go to bed. Does that make me scared to go to sleep?
The "terrors" are a fog that creeps into your mind, not goes through locked doors.
originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Septimus
Bush's Iraq war was a crusade. You bought the propaganda but then again so did everyone else. The motivation was oil but it was still a Christian crusade. Read the link. Most people don't know this gem.
www.theguardian.com...
originally posted by: tavi45
Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all filled with death and hatred. Modern Jews and Christians just cherry pick their bible points.
originally posted by: tavi45
To illustrate : Bible quotes galore
originally posted by: tavi45
The best part is how you absolve Christianity of all guilt by attributing the actions of its people as products of secular society when extremist Muslims are for the most part extremist out of desperation because a bunch of foreigners control their societies and abuse them. The double standard is pretty fierce. When Muslims do wrong it's their religion at fault. When Christians do wrong it's got nothing to do with religion. Yet America specifically is constantly talking about how Christian it is.
originally posted by: tavi45
Can't wait for the defensive responses. I love how in denial most Westerners are. It's really tough to take responsibility for your actions but that's part of being an adult. America's still an angsty teen though.
Did you know that in 2005, a group of Muslim men decided to track down a person they didn't like after talking to them on Paltalk, and then broke into his house and executed him and his family?
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: WarminIndy
Did you know that in 2005, a group of Muslim men decided to track down a person they didn't like after talking to them on Paltalk, and then broke into his house and executed him and his family?
Stop right there… Murderers did that, not "Muslims". Just because hooded people discharge weapons or saw peoples heads off while shouting "Allah Akbar" doesn't make them "Muslim" or reflect upon Islam anymore than air force pilots that attend church between bombing missions reflects on true Christianity.
Thats what you should fear, the west waging aggressive war on an entire hemisphere of nations, not some gangsters in "New Jersey".
originally posted by: Metallicus
I am not a follower of any mainstream religion, but when I look at what is happening in the world today there is only one religion still in the dark ages. Muslims still kill in the name if their God and while Christians can be annoying they don't kill people anymore.
Blaming any group of people for their past is disingenuous. If Muslims want to be part of the 21st century we are all waiting to welcome them.
originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14
This is just one of the many reasons I subscribe to no religion, and never plan to again. Especially the Abrahamic religions. They all claim the same god at the root of their religion, yet they are more than willing to send one another to death or hell for not believing in the same god, the same way they do.
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Life has a history of killing from Cain to present . Weather real Christians/Islamist or false ones .Weather peaceful or war like ,they can all be brought to the fight it would seem . Plenty of history of Christians killing Christians and Islamist killing Islamist over such stupid differences . I guess it's what one person may be convinced of as a justifiable reason to do so . I guess that ignorance being one of the first aspects prayed upon by those that would want us to do their bidding .
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places . Well as a Christian ,that is what I believe ....peace a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14
originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Metallicus
Muslims still kill in the name if their God and while Christians can be annoying they don't kill people anymore.
Dream on. Christians are still killing people around the world.
Central African Republic
India
Tripura
Odisha
Nagaland
Manipur
Lebanon
Northern Ireland
Norway
Uganda
United States
Christian terrorism
Sure looks like they are killing people.
originally posted by: intrptr
Western Christian stereotyping of Islam is at best, ignorant, and more likely hypocritical and bigot
You do realize that governments use religion as one way of fostering support for their just or unjust causes?
Like primary education that imbues young minds with national pride associated with flags and slogans, the PTP also uses organized religious beliefs to further their goals.
Our way of life and god is on our side, are primary movers. Classifiying others religious beliefs or culture as "less than" is how they motivate people to march on others.
One example of this is how they teach that the Christian God is the "One, True God". Once you believe that then it follows that "other gods" or deities can only be of the Devil. Its a shallow premise I know and many see through that ruse anyway… but a lot of mainstream Americans don't look that closely at the system or its activities.
They pay shallow homage to the flag or the western traditional church ethos (as little as they have to). For them its mostly lip service; I pay my tax, go to church on Sundays and stand for the National Anthem at ballgames, because that is what is required of me.
On the other hand, the manipulators and control freaks at the top of the hierarchy know full well exactly what they are doing when they condition your children's young minds in school, church and in front of the TV.
Wasn't there another beheading just last week right here in the United States? Who did that?
originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14
I'm going to take another look at Islam with more loving eyes. The Sufis obviously have insight into things that resonate at a harmonic frequency with my soul, so it can't possibly be entirely bad. Islam is probably the belief system that I am most inherently prejudiced against. Thanks for this. ;p