Warren: Obama Protected Wall Street Over American Citizens

a reply to: Hefficide

"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."
-John Basil Barnhill.

Guess you all will actually vet someone from now on instead of listening to their words eh?

Warren will be no different from Pelosi, Reid or Hillary (Hillary IS NOT who she's made out to be, you all should know that being on this site).

You guys want candidates that usher in "The NA Union", but do you understand what that means? Look at Europe as it is now, and look at France.

My guess is if the President is more or less forced to support the oligarchy. History tells us what happens when someone in his position does not.

a reply to: jrod

Yep. People are so ignorant they think being president gives power automatically. You have to be able to play the games with the office that allow you to employ power. We should have known they wouldn't let a black president do anything. The last president to really care about our nation IMO was Teddy Roosevelt and they eventually marginalized him. Ever since the Panic of 1920 corporate power has grown exponentially. For those of you who don't know corporatism is the foundation of fascism. All that's missing is the police state part and that's not far off. Since 9/11 the rights of an American citizen (who isn't wealthy or connected) are basically gone entirely. Civil forfeiture, militarized police, and blatant disregard for the 4th amendment are the norm now. I can't wait for the death camps and reeducation centers. Can't be too far off now.......

originally posted by: coastlinekid
You know it has gotten bad ... the usual Obama apologists are nowhere to be seen lately...
And that actually really scares me...

Oh, they're still here. They're just more subtle about it.

The candidate in jeans and T-shirt, the one not asking for $/£Millions in campaign funds and being funded by lobbyists, big business or Billionaires and with a clear message and empowerment of the people would get my vote.
The slick, expensive suit wearing Millionaire career politicians, the ones
in the pockets of the lobbyists, in other words, nearly all current politicians, should be thrown out on their arses!

It's this whole right / left idiocy that keeps the people divided, by design. The current bunch thrive on discord and division and they understand that even if not in the current ruling party, they are able to enrich themselves at the expense of the "ordinary" people.

I am sure though at the next election cycle, most people will once again vote along these lines, simply because they have been brainwashed to do so and consider any alternative "unproven". That's another ridiculous idea, that alternative are unproven, when incumbents and the 2 main parties have both proven time and again how criminal and just downright incompetent they really are.

when are you Americans going to wake up and learn that wall street owns the oval office and all who sit, stand, squat whatever, in it.

When are you going to realise that which ever party you elect they still report to the same master which is not 'we the people."

a reply to: learnatic

I would agree with the sentiment, but debate that it is a uniquely American issue. I have friends the world over and cannot think of any in what we would call the "Western world" who are not also coming to these same realization about their own governments.

My Scots friends furious that they were probably just lied to about vote counts which would have given them their own nation.

My English friends who are having the same sorts of bank based Corporate overtaking of their government.

My Aussie friends who are unhappy about the way their nation is handling domestic policies.

This is truly a global phenomenon. Either America is simply ahead of the curve, or more vocal than others about the issues. But, Hell, even Canadians are getting frustrated and it takes a LOT to piss off a Canadian!

originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: learnatic

I would agree with the sentiment, but debate that it is a uniquely American issue. I have friends the world over and cannot think of any in what we would call the "Western world" who are not also coming to these same realization about their own governments.

My Scots friends furious that they were probably just lied to about vote counts which would have given them their own nation.

My English friends who are having the same sorts of bank based Corporate overtaking of their government.

My Aussie friends who are unhappy about the way their nation is handling domestic policies.

This is truly a global phenomenon. Either America is simply ahead of the curve, or more vocal than others about the issues. But, Hell, even Canadians are getting frustrated and it takes a LOT to piss off a Canadian!

I play golf with everyone of those nationalities along with a few others and I agree with what you said about their sentiments. My response is usually, Did you see Egypt, Thailand, or Hong Kong now with their 500,000 protesters just wanting a free election. They all did something or are doing something besides complain. They got in the streets an some died while others were beaten for what they believed in.. The west is to civilized, to busy, to uninvolved, to change anything; but it must make them feel really embolden to tell all their friends just how much everyone is getting screwed !

I figure nothing will much change until enough people start getting hungry and lose their homes but so far the government has that covered to a small extent with aide and unemployment... I heard the other day that if unemployment was figured like it was in 1965 (?) the real rate would be 23%... and that does not even consider all the people who make less than 27,000 a year and pay taxes, pay for a place to live and something to eat while trying to survive.

Sometimes I wonder if it is the chicken in the barnyard syndrome... Most people in the West realize that it is the chicken that sticks their head up is usually the one going in the pot for supper.

a reply to: 727Sky

Just look at the Occupy movement. It's incredibly difficult to rise up against such a powerful and organized nation. The corporations just send out the mercenary police and the average American doesn't care one bit. The propaganda machine marginalized them rendering them useless. America is just too brainwashed to rise up until something absolutely massive and undeniable happens. By then it's far too late.

Ferguson is another great example. Anyone with half a brain should realize that Michael Brown did not deserve to be shot. The propaganda is so pervasive and powerful that the vast majority of Americans call it justified and want the black protesters put down harshly. They fail to realize that if it was their child who was shot for a misdemeanor they wouldn't be so protective of the police state.

At the end of the day empathy is nearly gone in America. Narcissism and sociopathy reign supreme. People are so utterly self absorbed they are incapable of seeing the truth. The ones who do see the truth are marginalized and demonized by the majority. America is mentally ill. Everyone knows that crazy people can't tell they are crazy. The asylum is being run by the inmates now.

a reply to: Hefficide

First off..you are correct in that very little has changed as far as economic justice in the USA, the coddling of Wall Street and the banks at the expense of the average American etc.

But I have to ask..What is it you would have liked the President to do that he did not?

They call it an "Administration"...because the President and his cabinet "administer" the laws, but do not create them. That is Congresses privilege.

I do remember shortly after the President took office, the Democrats pushing for a stricter financial regulation bill and all hell breaking loose...how any regulation of the banks or review of their practices was a "Socialist" concept.

The bill that was passed "Dodd-Frank" was watered down after taking a beating by the GOP and Wall Street Democrats, but it did produce a couple of agencies of note..

The CFPB...which lingered for a couple years as the GOP refused to Appoint a Director..
www.washingtonpost.com...

And the FSOC
A Legislative Assault on the Financial Stability Oversight Council
dealbook.nytimes.com...

I think in truth no President (Obama, Bush or otherwise) has the power to reign in Wall Street and the Banks...Congress does, but they are fighting for just the opposite.

Just my 2 cents..

Heff, I can't help but wonder if Warren is simply playing our current national situation for all it's worth to help propel her to the next level of politics.

Her message is pretty popular, even among some in the Republican party, and I could see her using that to gain popularity...possibly for a future presidential run.

If she was the CEO of America Inc, do you think she would be saying the same things, or follow the will of those is charge?

a reply to: sheepslayer247

My honest feeling is that Warren is smart enough to be insulating herself from Obama for a possible run in 2016. She could see herself as the Democratic version of what Palin was 8 years ago... a darkhorse coming from relative obscurity to the forefront based upon popular rhetoric.

The caveat here, however, is that Democratic rhetoric isn't popular in many circles these days. If she is pandering, she is doing it to a smaller audience than she would have if she were to simply walk around with a copy of Atlas Shrugged everywhere she went.

Sadly, and it truly does hurt my soul to say this, a HUGE portion of the middle class have been indoctrinated into absolutely hating the weak and the poor. A venomous and rabid hatred that scares the Hell out of me when I see it espoused by blue collar workers, housewives and even teenagers.

My hope springs when I discuss these issues on ATS and find that there are those on the other side who also care about the well being of those who have no voice or empowerment to gain one. I don't mind arguing the pros and cons of endless war, or Corporate avarice, or any number of other issues. But it always breaks my heart when the subject of starving children ( or starving elderly ) is tabled and others say things like "Not my problem" or "Shoulda prepared better".

I am incapable of that sort of abstractionist and selfish thought.

a reply to: Hefficide

I'm right with you man. The scapegoating and brainwashing is quite strong. It's so rare to hear compassion of any kind from the average American, even the "good" ones.

One of my best friends hates the poor and rages over the welfare state but yet didn't see any issue with being on unemployment for 2 years because he "paid into it". Meanwhile he gave me # for being lazy even though I survived a year unemployed with no claimed benefits at all. He got his job as a favor from a family friend. I got one on my own merit. I still get # though because I won't finish my bachelor's and lack ambition or greed.

I'm really hoping he won't raise his child to have the same bigoted ignorant views but he probably will. He's a good guy overall just misguided and filled with propaganda. All we can do is try to enlighten people and stay strong. The message will be easier for people to receive as things get worse. Hopefully the forces of progress and compassion reach critical mass before we hit the point of no return.......

If she refuses to call out the real issue, which is Deficit spending and the Fed printing money, then she is doomed to be a Washington idiot, just like the rest of them.

Why is it so hard for her to understand that when you dump Trillions of dollars into an economic system, that the value of the existing money turns to #. It's actually a Direct Tax on all of us, but no body in the news talks about that. People might actually pay a little bit more attention to ALL that Gov't waste if they knew this was the case.

Then all the politicians run around and say they are for the little guy and want to raise the minimum wage. If they voted to raise the Debt ceiling then they voted to Screw us, end of story!!!! It's a TAX on all of us and that's the reason every trip to the grocery store goes higher and higher for all of us.

I'm sorry, but some of us do have degree's in Economics too and this was taught Freshman year.

a reply to: JWB408

I do not believe her point was to create new money to cover the costs of a living wage increase - rather that it should come out of the pockets of the unregulated corporations who have bent the entire system so that it serves them and them alone.

The vivid analogy is the rich dropping a few crumbs and then telling the middle class that they really need to hate the poor because the poor look hungry and might go for the crumb themselves.

a reply to: JWB408

This Warren "interview" may not really be her "talking".

This sounds more like a DNC campaign "interview".

The elections are in a couple of weeks, and She is not up for re-election.

She, as well as other high profile politicians, can afford to be self-scapegoats.

The comments will pass later as "mis-understandings" and "out of context".

Clever.

Warren - the gal who claimed to be a Native American to help get her recruited to Harvard and they found out she lied. She's pathetic and nothing more than dog poo. We're still listening to lying pathetic players??? Everyone knows Obama's lies and flaws, the one's that don't, don't care and you're wasting time talking to them. She's not telling us anything we didn't already know. But listening to this skank is just jumping from one pile of poo to another.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Lol because no one's ever lied on a college application

a reply to: tavi45

I didn't lie on any of my college applications. Then again, my resume has always been truthful as well. My middle child is now applying to colleges and his applications are a bit 'too honest' in that he isn't yet confident enough to point out his strengths and accomplishments. I review his apps and have to continually remind of what he's left out and/or not elaborated on, when it comes to his community activities, volunteer hours spent, extracurricular accomplishments, and talents. He paints himself with a very vanilla brush that almost too humble.

Anytime I felt that an issue may become a negative for my character, I've brought it out front and center. I learned to do it rather humorously and "knock out my inefficiencies right away", that makes for conversations that have nowhere to go but up, or end on a positive note (whether in-person or written). I'd rather be humble about my abilities and characteristics and later prove to be much more than expected, that always having to try and prove my worth that is only in print or lip-service. To have to live up to the bloat or fabrication of puffed up resumes or applications just seems to stressful and unnecessary. I think all too often people will overstate accomplishments and/or abilities to the point they actually overstate themselves right over the job/academic program they were hoping to obtain.

In fact, I tend to trust that most people are honest in their applications and resumes. I'd rather give them the benefit of doubt and trust that people are honest. Dishonest people tend to overcompensate and usually fall on their own sword quick enough. I can't stand the thought of anyone ever thinking I was dishonest or untrustworthy.