A health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital has tested positive for Ebola

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: CardiffGiant

Class IV pathogen controls do NOT allow for the removal of a glove which has not already been decontaminated.

Only Frieden would expect staff at a Class II facility to magically be experts in advanced pathogen controls.

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so its just what i said earlier.

she broke protocol and didnt know it.

seems more likely than omg omg omg its airborne.

originally posted by: lakesidepark
When do I tell my employer I refuse to get on an airplane? When I refuse to stay in hotels and eat in public? When I refuse to be around others that choose to continue to do so? When I finally refuse to report to the office completely and self-isolate? Will I wait too late and kill myself and my wife?

These are serious thoughts to consider.

Exactly.

It's breaking my mind.

a reply to: Snarl

I knew Friedan was grossly incompetent by the way in which the patient zero case was handled. Deputies serving quarantine orders to his family without wearing protective gear; the family living for four days in the contaminated apartment, etc, etc, etc. Incomprehensibly idiotic.

Just curious to your thoughts on this Breach in Protocol, if it was made by one nurse could it be possible that there are others who did the same? Also wondering why the CDC didn't monitor the undressing of the CDC gear as the nurse was taking it off. Who is watching/monitoring the health care workers when dressing,handling and undressing? I think we need a new head of CDC because this guy keeps assuring people it's under control, yet mistakes are being made faster than I can type this!

Government is use to taking scientific advice from lobbyists, their appointed experts or friends of the system. In their eyes, creditable information spoken is proceeded by a handful of cash.

That won't be easy to change.

a reply to: JuliaDream87

Well it is a possibilities as our bodies sweat and that is considered body fluids, also, when we touch our eyes, noses or mouth we transfer also body fluids to other parts of the body without knowing.

a reply to: JuliaDream87
It's due to hidrosis--perspiration. An Ebola patient's skin would be highly infectious.
And the CDC should know this!

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
www.medicinenet.com...

a reply to: Staroth
IMHO--YES.

a reply to: CardiffGiant

Broke protocol? Or was she not properly trained and supervised by the CDC? I vote for the latter. If, indeed, breaches of protocol are to blame.

originally posted by: drwill
a reply to: JuliaDream87
It's due to hidrosis--perspiration. An Ebola patient's skin would be highly infectious.
And the CDC should know this!

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
www.medicinenet.com...

Everything is under control. Nothing to see here. Move along.

a reply to: marg6043

Do you have a link for that?
What I have seen is that she only had contact with Duncan after his second visit to the hospital.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: kaylaluv

You mean like the NBC reporter?

But he does have a clue on how he got it. He was in a highly infected area (that had been infected for a while), and was inside ebola clinics with lots of infected people (that he knew were infected). Someone died of ebola in his car. He thinks he got it when he was cleaning his car, and he thinks he came in contact with bodily fluids at that point. So, not a huge mystery as to how he could have gotten it.

Having one case here, and any other subsequent cases who had direct contact with the first case is not going to cause me to panic just yet.

a reply to: Snarl

We'll know when the administration finally takes this seriously when they replace the CDC as acting lead agent on this and replace them with someone from USAMRIID.

The Army has have some very, very good people. Best in the world. And their protocols, procedures and facilities make the CDC's look like a cub scout project.

And their leadership knows how to deal with this.

Of course, that presents a whole host of other issues, but we'll deal with those later.

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: JuliaDream87

Well it is a possibilities as our bodies sweat and that is considered body fluids, also, when we touch our eyes, noses or mouth we transfer also body fluids to other parts of the body without knowing.

Marg……

You're correct here………. SWEAT is the biggest potential issue here….from non-symptomatic through to completely pouring out virus, a persons sweat will be deposited on many surfaces and possibly exisit for a number of hours (or days?) acting as a transmission vector…….

OH well…

Regards

PDUK

a reply to: Riffrafter

Yes, USAMRID, leaders in weaponizing the world's worst diseases.

You're right though. They should take over.

a reply to: CardiffGiant
Short answer: your argument makes good sense, but not everyone reacts the same way and uses good sense. Some people will try and tough it out, no matter how clear it is that the odds are way stacked against them if they do.

Remember the people who openly said they'd ride out the hurricane that was headed for Galveston? Later, in the middle of the storm, some of them were on the phone and begging rescuers to come and save them -- when there was no way to get to them. And yes, some of those folks were never seen again.

People can be stubborn, or over-confident, or even just too scared to ask for help. And by the time they know they really need help?

We can easily become victims of our own selves.

From what I've seen and read, a person with Ebola can eventually be so sick they cannot even crawl. They're too weak to even make much noise if they try to cry out. So imagine if their phone is on the other side of the room, or even if they have it in their hand but it drops from their weak fingers and falls to the floor, just out of reach.

They'll just have to lie there and pray someone will happen by and find them.

That's a horrible scenario, I know. But that doesn't make it any less possible.

Ask yourselves this simple rhetorical question.

If you were a nurse, doctor, or healthcare professional, and knew already how deadly Ebola was would you break protocol anywhere?

I know what my answer would be.

It's a bit like chicken pox, it takes up to 5 days to become inflicted, you're contagious whilst the spots are out. Unfortunately when you become inflicted with this,, 50% chance of dying.

I think the authorities are downplaying this.

a reply to: Riffrafter

Well, not to drop too big of a dramabomb but there are rumors that the troop deployment wasn't really for West Africa. Now before today I would have said that was just scurrilous paranoia, before-it's-news type crap. But after watching the pressers today, I'm curious and concerned.

I'd love to know from ATSers - in another thread - about troop movements or call-ups, civil preparedness in communities that may be unusual, hospital activities, etc.

a reply to: butcherguy

Sadly we know that many people came in contact with Mr. Duncan when he was just having symptoms of something, that is why he went to the hospital to begin with, we have not been told whom may have been around him at that time, just the possibility of how many.

Is not link to show who may have been around when he visited the hospital the first and second time, but I am sure that he walked around and touched surfaces while waiting to be seen.

We only know that the "nurse" attended him once he was already infected and she in full gear, but how do we know that she was not around when he was just any other patient.

For her to be sick now she has been infected longer than Mr. Duncan was sick already and been treated ebola, that means she came into contact with him previously.