Why Keep Posting Religion on a Conspiracy Site?

There is a difference between discussing topics that are religious in nature and trying to shove your beliefs down the throats of others. I have rarely encountered a thread where people try to do the latter, and if I do, 99% of the time it's in one of the dedicated forums. That's the beauty about having such a diverse range of sub-forums: you can keep up to date with the topics that interest you and avoid the ones that don't.

a reply to: RifRAAF

aww man that's just cruel man. Listen man Im telling you I feel like Christian organizations do much more for peoples local communities than any atheist groups have. And it don't even matter that I am a stupid American that is a total loon. Facts are I have been to the soup kitchens downtown, I have participated in food drives and fund raisers for victims of house fires. There are always Christian or even Muslim curch behind those initiatives. Even the Jewish community has a clinic in west tampa for the less fortunate. I cannot sincerely say I have even read of a Athiest non-church taking the time out of their busy days to help the needy.

I will not paint that brush to all atheists mind you, because many are smart enough to understand the plight of human suffering and will sacrifice their time and resources to help fellow man. Just saying I have not seen them collectively make that effort in a group representing atheism.
Even in non-religion affiliated charities the majority of volunteers (yea I know something us crazy religious folk like to do) are regular church goers.

People of faith who regularly attend a congregation and participate in their communities are overall more satisfied in life. People call us simple because we don't chase all these new gadgets that simply weigh down the body, require extra work to pay for, and waste peoples time. A simple desktop computer at home from the nineties with updated guts is just fine. $700 for a phone every year is just plain stupid. and greedy.

So more ranting on my part, but I am trying to get a point off in there somewhere. Just let it be known I have to fight the devils influence everywhere he tries to separate people from God. be gone now minions of satan, leave these souls to enter the eternal kingdom in peace!!

Your hatred of God (you just pretending you believe he don't exist, in reality you just hate God) will never spread to everyone. We will set our fellow humans free of the signal which is blocking parts of their sensory receptors being broadcast by the aliens that walk among us (thank you John Carpenter).

Whew I need a sip of my non American Budweiser while I light a Marlboro and eat some McDonalds. yea and Gangsta Rap and dancing with the stars and stuff yea man!

a reply to: DYepes

Because mostly we're not a collective?
Sure the "New Atheists" are moving in that direction.
But...
Well, that's another topic.

originally posted by: U4ea82
a reply to: jude11

My best guess is that they want to share their truth with others, just like you want to share yours. I mean isn't that why we come here? To learn and discuss with others the knowledge that we've acquired? Now I'm not condoning posting walls of religious text but, I don't think ALL of them are here strictly on a covert convert mission. I think some really just want to help others find their way.

There is no such thing as their Truth and or truth just TRUTH

And TRUTH is a small fraction of any "Holy" book

a reply to: Dark Ghost

I have to agree with this post, there are only maybe 4 forums on ATS that lend themselves to these types of discussions.
And just because someone doesn't like that these discussions are taking place within these forums, doesn't mean they shouldn't. And those of us that have been here long enough remember when ATS was separate from BTS, there was less complaining and debating back then, because those forums seemed to fly under the radar of attacks. For sure less trolling threads opened by non-believers. It was more debate between fellow believers on doctrines and dogma.
The good old days of ATS for those forums. Those forums were designed for that, I think some stopped posting here because they got so beat up by all the trolling, one forum in particular was suppose to be a safe zone for us. And every once in a while as these guys got bolder and bolder with there posts a MOD would step in a ban them because they wouldn't stop.

OP, the life and times of Jesus of Nazareth is the original conspiracy theory.

Also, if someone has a bible-inspired response to something you post, is that not their right?

From our world history books, there were those that wanted society to do away with God (the Jewish and Christian versions in particular) and certain rights as they both got in the way of a nice fascism.

Be careful what you wish for.


Also, a little blast from the past from your very own Christian or not...Has the Message of Christmas Been Lost?

I have never hidden the fact of not following the Christian doctrine or any other religion for that matter but I also don't deny Christmas as a time of peace, acceptance and family. Am I a Christian? No. But i am also not unfeeling in understanding that many of my family and friends are of the belief. Why do I celebrate something I don't believe in? Quite simply because I accept the beliefs of others and choose to embrace the message of the time. Peace, love, sharing, forgiveness.

a reply to: DYepes

How wonderfully sanctimonious....

Believers spend more time in soup kitchens, which is better than having a 700 dollar phone or a good computer, so, I assume a handful of drug addicts that need 7 people to pour a bowl of soup is more useful than a scientist who cures a disease, I wonder who helped more people Mother Theresa or Salk?

And if you don't believe in a fiction you must actually "Hate" it... yes I shot Santa Claus in his face too btw

I'd have to offer that "volunteering" to help a handful of the mentally disturbed who for some reason can't fill out a form for food stamps or welfare like the 99% of the rest of the poor people does more harm than good, your essentially putting people on the street with severe mental illnesses and helping them stay there, I highly doubt that there is anyone who is only the street ALL DAY that either can't get aid or raise 7.95 for an all you can eat buffet which allows multiple servings btw or is ineligible for benefits that isn't really, really disturbed.....

But this is the "logic" of the religious who never really realize they are stupider than a rock... or just completely causing more harm than good because it makes them "feel better" about themselves ... Logic would dictate that any intelligent person could use those hours to actually make the world a better place, make something useful let's say like a vending machine lol, maybe that HELPING would be something like educating or getting a computer for a kid who won't grow up to spread hepatitis C to everyone they have contact with and who knows how to write at I dunno.... before 56? But no.... because you served the soup to some nutcase he's free to Molest my kid on the way home one day or just keep buying Heroin even though he can't acquire a social security card over the next 7 months somehow... Thanks Christian brother, Thanks

I guess it takes the cold rationality of an atheist to realize that an I phone is more useful to look up the address of social services for a guy and get him foodstamps than pouring him a bowl of rancid split pea soup that will last him an hr is... or at least point him in the direction of a mental health evaluation because if in 24 hrs on the street isn't enough to raise 6.00 he might not be "okay" aside from needing some crackers and chicken noodle...

But that's okay, keep Baking cookies and smiling the smile of the clueless while bagging technology "which helps no one" and pretend those people didn't die as soon as winter rolled around anyway or that your time could have been better used to get or create situations which create "permanent" solutions for people...

It's spillover from the bans going on over at the other place. If you have ever spent any time over there the place is infested with such. Ive seen the first page with all the pinned threads, sporting 50-70% religious postings. Its out of hand. My theory on it is that alot of people on there stumble upon it while googling "god" or something to that effect and wind up there. Agreed, the irony is stunning.

a reply to: inbound

Well, even the Devil studies the bible. Some say he even wrote it. If I post in let's say one of the Science forums, I would make sure to reference my post and respect the rules of conduct involved when talking to knowledgable strangers who are happy to read, discuss or find inspiration or whatever. I don't break into discussions about the differences between Newton and Einstein and call the people there stupid for no good reason other than perhaps basing my reasons on a random quote from Popular Science #7 1987 I managed to google up while I was writing.

People should respect people with knowledge I think. No matter in which form. If a man choose to spend all his life reading only one book and dedicate his life to the same book, well, that's how science is made. No matter if the book in question is the Bible or Euclid's elements.

originally posted by: jude11
I am addressing the religious posters here.

Why keep posting/pushing on a conspiracy site? You MUST see the irony here. The only reason I can see is that you are attempting to accomplish what so many door knockers are trying to do...convert. Here's a hint...you can't.

If your goal is to seek converts ( which it is) this is not the way to go about it. In fact, you are gaining a lot of haters, impatience, mistrust, frustration. Those that are not of your belief do not seek out your corners of the net with intentions of invading your posts or creating threads of controversy so why are you doing it here? Why are so many of you creating threads with simple bible quotes and nothing else? Fishing is my belief. Hoping to grab one.

I have no idea why ATS allows this but you just keep posting not only in your threads but in ours which have nothing to do with your beliefs. Perhaps ATS realizes that religion is naught but a conspiracy in and of itself?

you answered your own question in your question???? you ask why but then you say why.
religion is a conspiracy in itself. now i dont agree with what i call jacking somebody else thread. or trying to steer the direction of the thread. but religion has a place to be discussed here on ATS.

And i do have to say i think its wrong for you to group anyone that talks about religion into this group of people that "if your goal is to seek converts ( which it is)" my goal is to get as much info as i can and make decisions from that point. I like talking about annunaki myself. and the ancient world. witch ties into different religion's really easy. I have never tried to "convert" anyone. It has never been my goal as you state it.

Maybe one day Vladimir Putin will put you in charge to outlaw what you don't want discussed.

a reply to: criticalhit

Say WHAT?

Talk about sanctimonious.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: inbound

Well, even the Devil studies the bible. Some say he even wrote it. If I post in let's say one of the Science forums, I would make sure to reference my post and respect the rules of conduct involved when talking to knowledgable strangers who are happy to read, discuss or find inspiration or whatever. I don't break into discussions about the differences between Newton and Einstein and call the people there stupid for no good reason other than perhaps basing my reasons on a random quote from Popular Science #7 1987 I managed to google up while I was writing.

People should respect people with knowledge I think. No matter in which form. If a man choose to spend all his life reading only one book and dedicate his life to the same book, well, that's how science is made. No matter if the book in question is the Bible or Euclid's elements.

I didnt call anyone stupid. The only time I "give" respect is when its earned. Sorry, in this world today its a fatal mistake to just give it to anyone and everyone. Discuss whatever you wish, I just dislike religious insertions/comments in threads about anything but religion. The bible (or any other religious text) would never stand up to scientific scrutiny. Science is not learned from a book. Its from empirical experiments and observations of facts. If you put the word "faith" in a scientific journal or publication, you would be looking for another job rather quickly. Look Im not bashing you or any other person who is religious, but inserting a religous comment or bible verse into a discussion about a ufo sighting, government coverups, or some other scandal is not necessary. Throughout time humans have labeled things they do not understand as "magical" or "paranormal" or "it was god". ymmv

originally posted by: inbound

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: inbound

Well, even the Devil studies the bible. [...] I don't break into discussions about the differences between Newton and Einstein and call the people there stupid for no good reason

I didnt call anyone stupid.

No, I did. Well, my imaginary friend "I" I sometimes refer to/from in rhetorical questions and hypothetical examples.

The only time I "give" respect is when its earned.

And could ever religion and/or religious people, and others like me for instance who simply find religion and Christians great fun researching and sorting out of-- could ever such a subject (or object for that matter) "earn" your respect?

a reply to: jude11


I find it funny that you are crying about religion and your username is that of someone closely related to Jesus Christ.

Maybe Christians are not seeking converts, maybe they are just sharing their ideals or beliefs, much like us UFO freaks who think Aliens are real, we are just explaining our belief. Or conspiracy nuts who think Jews run the world and it's banks, just explaining their beliefs. Why is it wrong for people who simply say they believe a miracle happened at an event in their life? Stop being butthurt, and stop being an ignorant bigot. It's what they believe, you can't stop them from expressing their views.

a reply to: Dark Ghost


Thank you, could not have been said better.

a reply to: DYepes

Im telling you I feel like Christian organizations do much more for peoples local communities than any atheist groups have. And it don't even matter that I am a stupid American that is a total loon. Facts are I have been to the soup kitchens downtown, I have participated in food drives and fund raisers for victims of house fires. There are always Christian or even Muslim curch behind those initiatives. Even the Jewish community has a clinic in west tampa for the less fortunate.

This is true! It's the same here. Mostly Christians and mostly private as well.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: inbound

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: inbound

Well, even the Devil studies the bible. [...] I don't break into discussions about the differences between Newton and Einstein and call the people there stupid for no good reason

I didnt call anyone stupid.

No, I did. Well, my imaginary friend "I" I sometimes refer to/from in rhetorical questions and hypothetical examples.

The only time I "give" respect is when its earned.

And could ever religion and/or religious people, and others like me for instance who simply find religion and Christians great fun researching and sorting out of-- could ever such a subject (or object for that matter) "earn" your respect?

It already has. I do respect people's beliefs, no matter what god, religion, or way of life they choose to follow. I myself have spent vast amounts of time researching religious texts. It can be a great window into the past. Believe what you will, you will have no trouble out of me.... until someone tries to insert their favorite scripture into a discussion where it is not relevant. Not everyone has the same beliefs, I have my own regarding higher powers, Ive never inserted them into a thread discussing something other than. That is what the thread is about. Its a topic that is prominent in every corner of the world. Hence, my respect for it. I just cannot have faith in something that is determined by the latitude and longitude of your birthplace, for the most part. Yes I know there are exceptions. Maybe you are taking this as a bashing. Its not. As I said, I would not bash you or anyone else for your religious beliefs no matter what they are. I guess its more of a "hey! we are not talking about that in this thread" kind of thing. (Not in this one obviously)

a reply to: criticalhit

Really, you imagine that all the people populating soup kitchens are mostly drug addicts? You are forgetting that this admin holds the track record for people going on food stamps! This is theeeeee worst economy since the Great Depression.

and on the latter especially, the Obama administration has been particularly aggressive. CNS News reports that, even in the first year of President Obama’s second term, the federal food-stamp program continued to grow, with a record 20 percent of American households and a record number of individuals participated in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — and that the program itself reached its record-high budget.

hotair.com...


The difference here of course is that socialists spend other people's money, regardless of the program it's being used for.

a reply to: Char-Lee
Yes many great and clever men have wondered about 'the what lies beneath' this surface of reality.
Most philosophy is a mental quagmire which ends up doing circular reasoning to justify their deliberations.

It is a waste of time.

If a Supreme Being, Prime Mover, God, wishes to be known, a path to this knowledge will be marked. It will be written into the entire process of existence. Objectively this has yet to occur or be witnessed.
If a deity wishes to be unknown, end of story.

The best I can come up with is that a devious and intricate god may have this set up on a timer. When the gong goes off it all appears in whole cloth. Nobody gets left behind. We may have to achieve something that this being wants for this final bestowment.

With my experiences, unlike the folks you mention, I have no doubt that some form of 'spirituality' exists. It's a limited peek at the fundaments of this easily perceived reality, I can only try to assure you, it is not all there is. Whether science will be able to offer an over-arching conclusive proof of it, it only matters to us.

A god does not have to care. We may be waste product or a back room deal with his counterpart. To stop being concerned as to our ultimate fate is not likely. Look at the group intelligence and time that has been devoted. Does it serve a purpose? Look at your list. Have any pulled close to the 'reality that does not care what you think'?

What they have done is help define the parameters we are allowed (this may not be a permissive thing, just an inherent characteristic of the system) to see or they have babbled in hope of justifying their BS on this subject.

Denial of Death is what we do. We REALLY, REALLY WANT to think that our egos and summations of our lives are not so trivial as to be 'wasted'. I'm sure the dinosaurs had purpose but not one necessarily inspired by divinity. Historically they were placeholders, merely vessels for the universe to do its thing.

Personally the only thing I see is that evolution is the purpose and reason for this construction. Why? No idea.

These listed thinkers try to give us the idea behind it all. They failed. The folks who possess and are possessed by beliefs are not smarter than they, they just think they are inspired or that they are wholly rational. What they are is insipid and inane. You can not know with absolute assurance that there is or is not a god without such a being wanting to be known. To claim you know the motivations of such a being is BEYOND stupid.

To claim that you prefer deicide or worship is just dumb.

This is going to sound a bit harsh, and I am sorry if it offends. I honestly believe that the vast majority of religious folks, especially born agains, do not truly believe what they are espousing. In human nature, belief systems that are faith based need to have some sort of group consensus for them to be successful. If other people believe it, it MUST be true.....right? The more people that believe in the same thing, the easier it is to release the doubt that is held within your heart. It works with anything, not just religion. Why do you think the mainstream media all shove the same lies down our throats on a daily basis? They get the same results, sheep-think.

If you truly break it all down, and look at religion from an objective viewpoint, you can't help to see how ridiculous and nonsensical it really is. Violent, superstitious works of myth created by men for nefarious self gain.

Be careful not to do this list of things from various religions, or you will be punished for eternity:

Sex before marriage
Disobey your parents
Leave the house without your magic underwear
Disobey your government

I respect a persons right to worship what they want, but there is nothing in this world that can convert me. If there is a specific religion that I am required to follow in order to go to heaven and avoid hell, then "God" would give that opportunity to me, and not in the vehicle of someone knocking at my door.

Amen.

Wolves and Sheeple