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Why don't Arabs care about Arabs?: Thousands 'will most likely be massacred' if Kobani falls to j

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posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 03:56 PM
You can say the same thing about the Chinese, Indians, Brazillians etc. they never get involved in anything. Look people America was built on certain ideals and values. Vastly different from every other corner of the world. As many problems as we have and we cause we are still one of if not the greatest country in the world. Unfortunately that is changing and our grand kids will be living in a very different world.

The US should again rise up strap on our F'ing balls put some F'ing military might on the ground including our battle hardened bad ass troops and send ISIS back to the hole they crawled out of. Because that is what we do PERIOD!! But look at our pathetic leader. Obama is the biggest failure of a president this country has EVER had! EVER! He will make our lives as Americans much more vulnerable. Our country has lost our resolve! We are a politically correct bureaucratic cesspool of corruption, tyranny, greed, politics etc.

We as a nation used to heed the call of justice and do it with pride! Now we can't even stop illegal children from sneaking into our country.

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 04:37 PM

originally posted by: MrSpad
The Turks have been fighting the Kurds for decades. They are not going to defend them. The only way the Turks will roll is if the US would agree to also take out Assad. That has the support of the Turks and the Arab states and if the US would agree to after Assad along with ISIS Turkey would very likey send forces into Syria.

Nailed it. After trying desperately to rally everyone to the flag and take out Assad, Obama and Cameron failed to get their intervention last August. So instead of direct intervention, we decided to fight by proxy, except we didn't give much to the moderates which let the fanatics (ISIL) gain power. At the highest level this administration evaluates the actions and perceptions of players through their own lens. The world does not operate to our ideals. Not everyone shares our values. Life is cheap through most of the middle east. Democracy is less desirable than tribal/sectarian dominance.

In a little under a year, we've gone from calling for the ouster of Assad ("must go") to suddenly bombing the opposition, but tiptoeing around Assad. It'd be comical if it wasn't so sad. The Turks want to get rid of Assad and hate the Kurds more than ISIL. Erdogan wi'll move to save Kurds when it is in their best interest. They know ISIL is going to get US pressure no matter what they do. If ISIL kills some Kurds in the meantime, so much the better for Turkey. Everyone else over there (including the Kurds who would like to be independent or autonomous) is wondering why the US has abandoned their quest to remove Assad, and if the US can be trusted to do what it says it will do.

For the record, I am not and was not in favour of intervention in Syria (or Libya, or Egypt, or ...). I am just pointing out that the US has a schizophrenic foreign policy at the moment, and all the people we call our Allies (and quite a few who we don't) are wondering exactly what IS that policy.
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posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 05:52 PM

originally posted by: BobAthome
Turkish tanks along the Syrian border

Yea, if only the Kurds could get some Tank support for instance.

But hey,, an armchair general from any Video Game out there would be thinking,,

"hey i know ill send in my tanks for support"

kinda a no brainer.

But carry on General.Who ever u are.
of the Coalition.
Turkey included.
A Nato country.
Well at least there not a U.N country.

Maybe there a sunni country supporting othe sunni's like ISIS.

The worst part is, that there are Kurds in Turkey that want to fight, but as soon as they try to cross the border they get arrested.
There are a lot of Kurds that want to fight, to defend the border, the Turkish/Syrian border, but the Turks are to stubborn and afraid of a independent Kurdistand, that they will simply not allow it.

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 09:31 PM
The Kurds and Iranians arent Arabs, they're indo-european, probably more Aryan than westerners even. The Turks arent Arabs, they're well, Turkic. Even the Syrians consider themselves a separate race, and many of them have blue eyes even.

No one has any obligation to help out other members of their "race", particularly when there are so many divisions as is.

The Turks hate the Kurds because the Kurds in Turkey are in a rebellion. Sunnis and Shiites often hate each other. Various countries are economic competitors. Etc. You could have simply read this rather than sounding like a fool...

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 10:00 PM
a reply to: MrSpad

then it looks like there is a new Levant/Caliphate from Bagdad to Kobani,,
thats a State.
Now just sue for peace at the U.N.

done deal.

posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 10:21 PM
not bothered
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posted on Oct, 10 2014 @ 11:36 PM
a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

We haven't fought a war for justice or for defense since before 1900.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 01:43 AM
a reply to: aLLeKs

Then why dont they ask for Egyptian ground troops,,maybe Egypt and the Kurds can work something out,,
or has it fallen yet??

Im cheering for u Kobani,,oldest city on Earth.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 02:02 AM
just wow!

"I could see IS positions clearly, they had their flags raised, they weren’t hiding.

"But the jets would hit a kilometre or two away from the target," he told us, throwing his hands up in disbelief"

next time aim for the bad guys,,"a kilometre or two away from the target",, wow.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 02:02 AM

originally posted by: Xeven
How can Saudi, Egypt, Iran, Syria, Turkey, Oman, Iraq etc...just sit by and let ISIS do this to other Arabs? Why must the West come in and save the day? I don't understand why Iraq's wont fight? They all just sheepishly get herded off to their death and none of them fight back? Yes I know this time it's the "Kurds" but it seems no Arabs are willing to save their brothers. Why is this? Are they just pacifists or is it ok to kill and murder in Arab society?

Where the heck are the Arab Boots on the ground?

(Reuters) - Thousands of people "will most likely be massacred" if Kobani falls to Islamic State fighters, a U.N. envoy said on Friday, as militants fought deeper into the besieged Syrian Kurdish town in full view of Turkish tanks that have done nothing to intervene.

Because none of the above countries that you mentioned are really Arabs,they might speak Arabic but their history and race is far from Arabs,with the exception of Saudi Arabia which is helping and supporting ISIS to confront all the rest of really none Arabic nations surrounding them.Saudis think those countries specially Iran are a big threat to their security and interests in the region...What they really do not know is that they have helped to create a monster that will eat them alive along with some other regimes and perhaps Israel as well.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 03:44 AM
That's like asking why don't whites care about other whites.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 03:54 AM

"But the jets would hit a kilometre or two away from the target," he told us, throwing his hands up in disbelief"

That's because our politicians in their infinite wisdom have decided that we cannot embed FACs with the Kurds or FSA (because, hey, we can't have boots on the ground. Too risky). So we need to find our own targets by satellite or air. That intel is not always real time. Believe it or not, there aren't enough UAVs to loiter about the whole of Syria and try to put a coherent current picture. By the time the decision has been made that we're allowed to actually hit a target, and then that target coordinate trickles down to the guy in the cockpit the situation on the ground may have changed substantially. And because of that delay, and the fact that things are fluid on the ground, it takes that much longer for someone to put their neck on the line to authorize a strike close to the frontline because no one wants a Blue-on-Blue. Easier/less risky to authorize dropping iron on a position in the rear, or some trucks behind the lines. Anything but actual targeting of forces actively engaged, because it is not easy to tell from the air who is who. And we don't have guys on the ground to tell us.

Further, because of the possibility of active air defense systems in the area, the rule of thumb is generally "one pass, haul ###"; not a lot of loitering and trying to pick out their own targets, because again, there is no way to communicate from the cockpit to the Kurds/FSA on the ground to figure out where the bad guys are and where the good guys are.

I think we'll eventually start to see some SOFs on the ground designating targets and maybe (hopefully), training the locals. In the meantime, we've apparently decided at the highest levels of the administration that it's important enough to fight, but not so important that we're willing to put ourselves in danger to improve the odds of actually achieving something.

We could save this if we wanted to, but apparently we don't want to. Again, our policy is schizophrenic. We're apparently going to "degrade and ultimately destroy" ISIL, but we're not going to put boots on the ground. I don't know how that is going to work, but they seem determined to try in Washington.
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