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Originally posted by spamandham
What's happening is an increased awareness that it really is unconstitutional and immoral to use tax dollars and public facilities to promote a particular religion.
Originally posted by BostonBill99
You can say all you want about the Repuiblicans being in an uproar. But it won't make a hill of beans in comparison to the Pagan outcry of "I am offended."
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
You're not paying attention or you're just making this up as you go. Examples of a decided bias against Christmas have been cited, so that much is out the window.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The other thing is that neither the First Amendment nor any other Article of the Constitution prohibits religious displays on public property or with public funds. Read it for yourself:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It is the establishment of a religion and the prohibition of its exercise that is prohibited and public displays or celebrations or decorations or anything that has been traditionally done meets those criteria. To say otherwise is a falsehood.
Originally posted by alternateheaven
boycotting Macy's, which has removed "Merry Christmas" signs from its department stores
Wow, are people so anal that a private organization can't make its own decisions if they dont mesh with the public? Jeeze, they should be able to put up or not put up whatever they want within reason, its not like the have to cater to one group or another, unless they really want their money.
Originally posted by centurion1211
People have the right to "vote with their wallets" for or against any private organization they like or don't like. It's part of a thing called freedom of choice. You and a lot of people keep forgetting that exercising your freedoms isn't guaranteed to be free. Sometimes there will be a cost. In this case, Macy's is free to display what they want, but they must understand that there might be the cost of lost (or gained and would you or anyone else complain then?) business because of it.
Originally posted by TrueLies
screw the athiests and the other scrooges that want to ruin the meaning of christmas...
I'd like to have a game of christmas darts on their heads. Perhaps that will get the pc bug out of em... God, how pathetic...
ps: If everybody wants to participate in the FU game, i'd recommend going to the dollar store where they sell Merry Christmas banners for a dollar...
They have some other good ones too...
Just to send a nice message to all these bahumbug aholes that they will not ruin christmas because they have a pc bug stuck up their ass and have a beef with a man of whom they don't respect....
I say the respect starts at home... If you can't respect yourself how can you respect others?? Just something my mom taught me as a kid.
[edit on 8-12-2004 by TrueLies]
Originally posted by Odium
Originally posted by centurion1211
People have the right to "vote with their wallets" for or against any private organization they like or don't like. It's part of a thing called freedom of choice. You and a lot of people keep forgetting that exercising your freedoms isn't guaranteed to be free. Sometimes there will be a cost. In this case, Macy's is free to display what they want, but they must understand that there might be the cost of lost (or gained and would you or anyone else complain then?) business because of it.
...or maybe they were listening to what the Pope has said?
It is about time Christmas is exposed for what it is and people begin to stop celebrating something, which in reality has little to do with Jesus and his birth and more to do with Roman festivles and consumerism.
It is a sad day when this is what Christianity is all about.
Originally posted by Quest_es
To Christians, Christ IS the Spirit of the season, the spirit of good will to all. That is what Christians embrace when they celebrate Christmas, the birth of Christ.
It wasn’t like this until 2-3 years ago. Then none of this was a concern and everybody was happy until these intolerant anti-Christian factions started taking aim at the Christian holiday of Christmas. Slowly at first starting with nibbles and now whole mouthful bites. The whole putrid affair has started to eat itself into our traditional way of celebrating the birth of Christ, which represents the very foundation of Christianity. It is an outright unabashed bigoted demonstration of religious discrimination. And it needs to be stopped, killed dead in its tracks. And this can only be done of people speak out against this transgression and bring awareness to the hypocrisy and gravity of the problem least soon there will be no Christ in Christmas.
From the Washington Post:
“The December holiday season used to be simple — when Americans could call it Christmas without offending anyone. A 2000 Gallup poll found that 96 percent of Americans celebrate Christmas but that such festivities have become more problematic in recent years.
The "December dilemma" over how much religious meaning can be allowed in public acknowledgement of the holiday has turned into an all-out legal battle that pits baby Jesus against an army of elves, reindeer and singing Christmas trees.
Misconceptions about the "separation of church and state" complicate the issue, says a nonprofit legal organization that is fighting to keep the Christ in Christmas.”
Washington Post Article
Originally posted by Odium
I guess it is better than them attacking Christians, burning down churchs and instigating a genocide on the people of the land. Glad those nice, lovely, Christians didn't do that for over 1000 years.
quote: Originally posted by e-nonymous
See, that right there is the me me me complex again
What about non christian's? Athiest's use santa for xmas, not christ. Other religion's use w.e they use this time of year. This is why we were gunna use HAPPY HOLIDAYS! But no... you jackass's had to go and complain and say ME ME ME like a bunch of babies acting like everyone was attacking you!