"The Information War For Ukraine"

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: DJW001

Because it effects where I live.

There were Dutch reporters, no idea what their actual main employer was we use a network of them who do reporting, even Belgium reporters interchange with us. It was probably from our main news (NOS Journaal), our main background news (Nieuwsuur) or other background news (2vandaag).

Translation: You are under the impression that there are Dutch, or possibly Belgian, reporters in Donetsk or Luhansk but you do not know who they are or who they work for.

There are OSCE observers there and they post regular bulletins documenting the activities of both sides. These reports are used by the more thorough news media (eg; The New York Times) to provide brief articles but are largely ignored by the short attention span media. You might argue that this is deliberate under-reporting, but it may simply be lack of impact and visual interest.

I have seen them doing live reporting from both Donetsk and Lugansk (and they were Dutch, a Belgian sounds way different), and if they could be there the Guardian and Reuter reporters who were at the Ukrainian/Russian border could also have gone in.

And knock yourself out with looking for them :

Link

a reply to: BornAgainAlien


Im confused western media was not allowed into rebel territories. They would et arrested beaten or in some cases disappear. Not to mention seems like every time they were around Strelkov he was threatening to shoot them as spies. So western reporters were most around ukrainian forces for example vice news.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: BornAgainAlien


Im confused western media was not allowed into rebel territories. They would et arrested beaten or in some cases disappear. Not to mention seems like every time they were around Strelkov he was threatening to shoot them as spies. So western reporters were most around ukrainian forces for example vice news.

It`s not that confusing...

All been used as an excuse so they didn`t had to report about what was happening. The Netherlands had enough reporting from MH17 crash site also (Separatist hold territory), remember my earlier vids.

But here you can see a Dutch reporter in Donetsk at 2:41 min :

Link

Hackers’ Attack Cracked 10 Financial Firms in Major Assault (Russia connection)

The huge cyberattack on JPMorgan Chase that touched more than 83 million households and businesses was one of the most serious computer intrusions into an American corporation. But it could have been much worse.

Questions over who the hackers are and the approach of their attack concern government and industry officials. Also troubling is that about nine other financial institutions — a number that has not been previously reported — were also infiltrated by the same group of overseas hackers, according to people briefed on the matter. The hackers are thought to be operating from Russia and appear to have at least loose connections with officials of the Russian government, the people briefed on the matter said.

It is unclear whether the other intrusions, at banks and brokerage firms, were as deep as the one that JPMorgan disclosed on Thursday. The identities of the other institutions could not be immediately learned.

Estonia arrests former KGB officers - Incident follows Russian kidnapping of Estonian agent, pointing to heightened tensions between Moscow and Tallinn

Two former Soviet security officials have been arrested crossing into Estonia, the second major incident between Russia and its Baltic neighbour in the past weeks.

In early September an Estonian security agent was abducted at gunpoint and taken to Russia, where he is awaiting trial after being accused of spying.

Last Sunday two Russians, reportedly identified as former KGB officers, were held by Estonian border guards when their boat allegedly crossed the border on the Narva River near Lake Peipsi.

The men, Mihhail Suhoshin, 64, and Alexander Ladur, 54, are being held on charges of resisting arrest and illegally entering Estonia.

The incidents point to heightened tensions between the two countries.

“The ex-KGB guys caught on the Narva River are ‘ex’ and may have been merely fishing,” said Kalev Stoicescu, a research fellow and Russia expert at the Tallinn based International Centre for Defence Studies. “But the Russians are testing all types of borders, on land, at sea and in the air space of many Nato and EU countries including Estonia. They do this to provoke, but also to test reactions both technically and politically.”

Estonia’s eastern border, renowned for smuggling and spy games, was the scene of turn with the abduction of security official Eston Kohver on 5 September.

Click link for remainder of article.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Im not surprised Russia has been shall we say testing everyones borders lately. I think they are trying to intimidate their neighbor's


I think Russia wants to show they are still a superpower this seems important to Putin. Sadly hes taking the country in the wrong direction being a superpower isnt just about scaring people. He is totally forgetting the biggest part the economy.

Public opinion means jack. Since when voters get to influence foreign politics? Let's slam them with tax initiative. This will preoccupied them for a time being.

You see, just like it is getting harder to gather public opinion about the conflict on this board, same on bigger scale happens in real world. I bet, in a month headlines like this one gets fewer replies than as of today.

Take care.

a reply to: darkorange

I was not aware putin was thinking about raising taxes. As for Russians being able to influence foreign policy it is difficult when the government does not allow for an independent media to mind the peoples business with regards to the government.

At the rate putin is going I think headlines like this one will see an uptick in posting / traffic, not less.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: darkorange

I was not aware putin was thinking about raising taxes. As for Russians being able to influence foreign policy it is difficult when the government does not allow for an independent media to mind the peoples business with regards to the government.

At the rate putin is going I think headlines like this one will see an uptick in posting / traffic, not less.

Actually he is raising taxes to cover up the difficulties the government is having do to sanctions.

President Vladimir Putin has decided to introduce a sales tax on Russian consumers, two sources acquainted with the issue said on Thursday, raising the tax burden earlier than expected as Western sanctions deepen the country's financial woes.

The levy will be applied on a region-by-region basis, allowing each administrative district to decide on a sales tax of up to 3 percent to make up for budget shortfalls, which the Finance Ministry estimates will reach up to 1 trillion roubles ($27.99 billion) in the next three-year budget.

www.reuters.com...

They need to control the internet before force feeding us state propaganda again and TPTB are doing all they can to take the internet away with the little games they play with groups like ISIS that is designed to acheive just that.

Use a VPN and you must be a terrorist or trying to buy a little weed (like big deal)

Google and ISPs are starting to block the internet all over the place by not indexing pages or using 404's and thats on top of spying on us 24/7

a reply to: VirusGuard

You make good points but are completely off topic. If you think Europe and America are bad, Russia now requires bloggers to have a license!

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: VirusGuard

You make good points but are completely off topic. If you think Europe and America are bad, Russia now requires bloggers to have a license!

It also requires all Russians using public wifi to identify with the business who has to keep it on file for the FSB.

The war in Ukraine was set up by the EU-NATO since 1991. They did everything they could in order to make this war happen.
For example they forced Ukraine to abandon its nuclear arsenal, just to make sure that this war wouldn't possibly go nuclear, otherwise NATO troops would be obliterated quickly ... (yes the Ukrainians wouldn't be on the side of NATO)
... Nowadays of course people like German President Steinmeier are very sad that the Donut didn't turn out with the hole in the middle ... Maybe he wants to have nuclear weapons in Ukraine !!!

Let's help him ... starting from nuclear re-armament of Donbass (Donetsk - Lugansk) with nuclear tipped Tockha missiles ...

Steinmeier as president of Germany , together with Merkel are giving direct orders to the German military to resume Jozef Mengele's research on eugenics in an attempt to manufacture "Das Uebermensch". That mostly involves torture and genetic manipulation of children. Especially by selecting lab genes, from Islamist and African people ...

originally posted by: Flanker86
Steinmeier as president of Germany , together with Merkel are giving direct orders to the German military to resume Jozef Mengele's research on eugenics in an attempt to manufacture "Das Uebermensch". That mostly involves torture and genetic manipulation of children. Especially by selecting lab genes, from Islamist and African people ...

More nonsense.............................. Look you can do better than this. Many of us in the 'West' do understand that Ukraine is step too far in the encirclement of Russia. We do accept that Ukraine is your backyard. But talking nosense like this is just insane and more comedy For heavens sake we wouldn't even be alive in England without you Ruskies destroying the Nazi's at least we would be speaking German and at worst murdered in a camp. Thanks for saving us This is an eternal debt

a reply to: dragonridr

nice avatar