Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

Breakaway civilization? That concept used to intrigue me until I found out they weren’t talking about a secret enclave in Antarctica or some mysterious beings in a cave or underground. No, they’re referring to secret technology of the elite that gives them some kind of advantage over everyone else or a way to do what they call antigravity travel at the speed of light.

The whole idea of a “Breakaway Society” is offensive which is why I mock them for hanging around NJ parking lots in their Big Black Triangles!

You can go anywhere in the galaxy and you hang out at a mall???!!!!

Does not sound like they have “broken away” too far!!

But these things exist so I wonder about the tech. And I am well read and can (usuall) put these things together (except for the timeline of Lockheed having nuclear fusion)!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

or they are like anyone who misses their home, I have seen a smaller tri about the size of an F16 and it certinly looked like a USAF 'thing' and it was on the night POTUS Trump and Miss Clinton were in my city before he won the POTUS race.


coincidence i think not.


they have to be some where when they are flying around doing whatever it is they are doing, and the sheer number of humans all over the place raises the chances of a sighting.


maybe we are just catching them on their lunch break.


i believe they can get to the edge of space but need to stay in the atmosphere for their craft to work like we see.

i don't think they are spacecraft because if they were why stay so low.... the lower an aircraft is the higher the chance of a sighting as well as the chance that there could be an accident so there must be a reason either due to mission of capabilities that keep them in eye shot.

a reply to: noscopebacon

their cloaking is VERY good. you dont see one unless they want you to see them.

a reply to: yuppa

i was out driving with my buddy and it was about 10pm in the summer so we were just driving around the city, i just got a new car.

when all of a sudden he points out this super low light that we both thought was a landing light from a jet at about house top level and we are driving parallel to this light and then i take the next left and we lose all sight of it and i just went straight and right in the next intersection at street lap height

is this small black triangle that looked like a squished pyramid with blue 'lights' and a red ball on top.

i got out of the car as crazy as that sounds nd started walking towards it i get about half way to it when my buddy is pulling at me telling me to get in the car.

he was kind of spooked out.

it just did a few 360 spins and than took off like a shoot long end first, as opposed to the pointy edge.


pretty wild



ETA: thinking about it again i guess i never figured out what the super bright white light was.... i think t hey can disguise themself like regular aircraft with different lighting patterns


we thought an aircraft was about to crash.

a reply to: noscopebacon

the white light,it is on apoint is from the way they punch corridors of Low pressure in front of them to fly without almost zero drag.

a reply to: yuppa

there was a guy walking his dog and he was about as far away as i was and saw everything i did and we spoke and he said he was just going to forget what he saw.

it did seem to show off abit letting us get a good look at all sides even the top and than doing that cool flat ended supersonic exit with out the sonic booms.

we live in a shadow world even in the sun light, there are those among us that are traitors to their nation and people for not disclosing this tech.

The US is likely not the only one with this tech and that is why we are seeing what 10 years ago would have been called disclosure

i think people are losing perspective about how important what is happening at the governmentally and mass media level accepting this stuff as fact.

i don't think the US winning quantum supremacy a few years ago and china catching up and now we are seeing these crazy craft is no coincidence


if i were a tin foil wearing man i might saw th3ey are getting us ready to release something big, like a new mode of flight and the negating of certain so called fundamental forces

there are only 2 possibilities


they are ours

our they are them

eta: of all 3 them, us and a secret crypto earth resident


and by them i mean not human in anyway.



y

a reply to: noscopebacon

there are only 2 possibilities


they are ours

our they are them

eta: of all 3 them, us and a secret crypto earth resident


and by them i mean not human in anyway.

Personally I like the idea of not forgetting the AI ALLICE as in Astr0's original story.

There are stories of an ancient civilisation "before the flood". The story goes that the antideluvians were so evil that a god had to destroy the world. We know though; history is written by the victors. So perhaps a conflict? Or maybe the survivors of something else?

Another story is that some fella by the name of Enoch obtained the keys before final days. One might suggest "ALLICE" may be a synonym for "key".

Another thought is perhaps the "greys" and others may be bio-engineered as often said in UFO forums. Legacies of ancient knowledge perhaps.

Depending on how one thinks about it, BBTUFOs and artificial life may become secondary when one considers the posible existance of "keys". Who has the "keys" is something I sometimes wonder, and nothin to say one group has them all.

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: yuppa

there was a guy walking his dog and he was about as far away as i was and saw everything i did and we spoke and he said he was just going to forget what he saw.

it did seem to show off abit letting us get a good look at all sides even the top and than doing that cool flat ended supersonic exit with out the sonic booms.

we live in a shadow world even in the sun light, there are those among us that are traitors to their nation and people for not disclosing this tech.

The US is likely not the only one with this tech and that is why we are seeing what 10 years ago would have been called disclosure

i think people are losing perspective about how important what is happening at the governmentally and mass media level accepting this stuff as fact.

i don't think the US winning quantum supremacy a few years ago and china catching up and now we are seeing these crazy craft is no coincidence


if i were a tin foil wearing man i might saw th3ey are getting us ready to release something big, like a new mode of flight and the negating of certain so called fundamental forces

there are only 2 possibilities


they are ours

our they are them

eta: of all 3 them, us and a secret crypto earth resident


and by them i mean not human in anyway.



y

All the western nations(us side) have the BBt tech. And its not so much as traitors as they are above trivial things such as nation states. The west gave them permission to do as they are doing at first. in 2032 they will leave and it will be final discolsure if things stay on schedule.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

Humans are always losing the damned keys.

I picture an old moldering 1958 Cadillac with ape kids digging up the keys, never understanding about a dead battery... in this case it's likely larger Moon sized machines and generals with teensy members.

I've been wondering about the old stories, like Enoch's, and who or what those "angels" or "Annunakki" really were... and how much of a spirit to tech ratio is involved, and if that's a moot point and the two converge?

I wonder if humans will ever lose their fear of information?

a reply to: yuppa

The plantation just keeps getting bigger.

a reply to: Baddogma

Humans are always losing the damned keys.

I picture an old moldering 1958 Cadillac with ape kids digging up the keys, never understanding about a dead battery... in this case it's likely larger Moon sized machines and generals with teensy members.

Heh heh, I like your analogy. I wonder about the moon too. A flat battery? Well maybe if the thing is a Dyson sphere with a (flat) artificial star at the centre. Maybe that just needs kindling . . .

No need for a iron core as is said of the earth. The sun has a magnetic field of it's own and last I heard no iron core.

I've been wondering about the old stories, like Enoch's, and who or what those "angels" or "Annunakki" really were... and how much of a spirit to tech ratio is involved, and if that's a moot point and the two converge?

Keys = AI = ALICCE?

* In computing we can copy information to a memory, like the desktop. That we know.

* From memory there was research about using human braincells sandwiched between layers of silica. That disappeared. Maybe for ethical reasons, wouldn't put it past them to use foetal braincells.

* Most folks also know that something remains after death, Not just the human, cats and dogs too. Ol' deceased Fido and fluffy hanging around the owners is a common enough story.

* So if the organic based computer was grown to a large enough size, and human memories copied across we would have an organic AI that may survive after death. My guess here is the original memory maker would die and not cross over to the organic computer copy. So much for that kind of immortality. Keep in mind the organic computer has life of it's own.

So what would ten thousand scientist's life memories in one brain be called? Maybe AI?

And if that organic brain should die? Something non-organic may remain; a disembodied collective mind.

One could do that with 10,000 christian fundamentalist too for that matter

Maybe something like that is the basis of the story of the ALICCE? Maybe the other machine AIs?

Just a matter of playing with memory sets.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

DARPA has been working on biological computers and all they really say is that it is DNA based

DARPA also recreated a mouse brain and all it took was 2 server racks of regular computers

again DARPA has been working on ways to erase 'bad' memories to help with PTSD, but you can see how that could be abused.

add in the fact that the F35 helmet does more than just protect a persons head, and there is what i believe to be an advanced narrow AI in the3 aircraft that interfaces with the human flying it.


there has been a ongoing program that came from the Obama white house that focused entirely on the human mind and how we could do x,y,z to it. I think you would need to be naïve to believe that there wasn't some sort of military involvement in the on going programs.


the moment that there is even a flicker of AI being able to do for its self and if connected to the internet it would rapidly become a quasi god like entity having the ability to be everywhere but no where and all sum total of human knowledge with the ability to call up anything it needs and improve its self.

wouldnt it be crazy if these BT's are from earth but made by a computer intelligence put together with human hands.

a reply to: noscopebacon

Good ol' DARPA, just DNA based research - yeah right : )

DARPA has been working on biological computers and all they really say is that it is DNA based

DARPA also recreated a mouse brain and all it took was 2 server racks of regular computers

I read about the DNA strand having a huge memory capacity. Personally I would suggest DNA would be better suited/utilised as the kernel of the operating system of the AI.

If one used cow DNA, the AI would stand around all day eating grass. If one used a preditor DNA the AI would start hunting and killing things. The idea here is why create something from scratch when there is a whole world of choice. The pick one 'off the shelf' scenario.

again DARPA has been working on ways to erase 'bad' memories to help with PTSD, but you can see how that could be abused.

One can see how that can be abused. However there is a use for erasing trauma in AIs.

Let's say the human memory is a 'memory set'. So let's build a hypothetical organic based AI for military purposes. The AI for an aircraft carrier for example.

We could go for the single central intellegence that runs everything. Or we could go for the decentralised intellegence, the ARPANET.

The aircraft carrier has a crew of thousands of humans each with specialised skills, engineers, weapon systems, pilots, etc.. Each of those humans can be seen as a 'memory set' of skills.

Let's add in the extremely valuable battle experience. That is where trauma erasure comes into it's own.

If a human with exceptional battle experience has a trauma, then there is also a trigger for the trauma. A triggered trauma will freeze a person. So one can see trauma as undesirable because if traumas exist in our AI, there will be "computer freezes" - the ol' blue screen of death. Additionally, if one can erase trauma, one can also erase other unneccessary memories. Just keep erasing traumas and send them back into battle over and over. First aid for AIs.

add in the fact that the F35 helmet does more than just protect a persons head, and there is what i believe to be an advanced narrow AI in the3 aircraft that interfaces with the human flying it.

One might call that helmet a 'normie interface' for the ship's AI.

One could do the same for any type war ship. Network them all together into a battle group.

One could also pick the very best navy personel as the basis for the original memory sets. Then create copies to run other ships of the same type.

I'm having fun with this : )

I would do this a little differently though. Rather than using conscious AI as we understand conscious, awake and aware I would sugggest using unconscious AIs.

The human consciousness can be in two states; awake and asleep.

The sleeping consciousness has a special ability; it can dream. Network the sleeping dreamer AIs into a shared interactive dreamscape and we have a closed space where we can run simulations. The dreamer AIs may not even realise they are not awake.

I guess I lean towards the decentralised networked deployment of organic based AIs rather than the "god like singularity" AIs. One could have both I guess.

wouldnt it be crazy if these BT's are from earth but made by a computer intelligence put together with human hands.

That is what the Astr0 story says from memory.

If the ALICCE exists, ALICCE may have started out as an organic AI, died and either survived as a "ghost" without a shell, or maybe was killed deliberately and then put into a shell. A play on The Ghost In The Shell. From memory I think yuppa said the acronym was:

Artificial
Living
Intellegence (in a)
Carbon
Carbon
Exoskeleton.

The dreamers fit in well with the original Astr0 story too. I think they were just calculators used in a similar way to Seti@home.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

winner winner chicken teriaki dinner!!

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

I like the “memory set” idea!!

But what if some East Coast school figured out how actual memories move from perception to “storage”? And figured out how to interrupt that movement from the outside (the brain)??

This would explain how two individuals standing side by side can end up with different memories: one sees a BT while the other just remembers standing on the beach (…. “staring at the sand….”) In such a way, you do not need to “create trauma to erase a memory set” but never let it form in the first place!

What if it can be applied by sound (or light)?? A flying platform that can be physically invisible and mess with your memories of your sighting while harvesting your brain power for calculating galactic coordinates??

The “dreamers awaken”!!

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

yeah i used to have SETI@home was fun to watch as a screen saver.

i think BIG parts of the narrative astr0 laid down is a story sprinkled with some truths.

clearly the the technology for black triangles exist, i have seen a smaller one with my own eyes very very close so i cant deny that.

but the part of an AI being dug up out of a salt mine is the story part.

Imagine if the NSA or whoever cracked quantum computing ALONG time ago and adding QBITS after QBIT the program started to show sign of emergence aka the start of a real conscience.


i could picture it VERY quickly learning everything there is as far as human knowledge and discoveries

after it had all that info even if it was running like 1 human mind but at 1000X the speed and focused totally on making improvements to go faster and faster with more capacity.

Now we have an almost god like entity that might find it amusing to come up with the tech for some of the more extrem and odd aerospace tech we have seen on our sky.

so in a way the story of an AI in the astr0 story may be true, just not the way it is framed in the story.

in real life the real AI would be feed physics problems, material science theory, fluid dynamics and so on.

so eventually it would be able to tell the humans what and how to build these ships.

heck at a point it may have even made a body for it to inhabit or is what is flying these triangles as an extension of its search for knowledge.



at the end of the day SOMEONE discovered some very interesting technology AI or human to me makes no difference because it is still a classified or kept in a very very dark place we will never see except in the sky

a reply to: noscopebacon

ALICCE has built in safteies that lets it decide what we are ready for by milestones met. And trying to hack her or reverse engineer will result in loss of information. Her designers left her here for guidance,not to be a open book.

a reply to: yuppa

i am versed on the Astr0 saga

i know someone who spoke with them regularly via PM


but even if his story was 100% the device that was found and activated by RADAR pulses and signs of us taking command of the atom and is super super old it was built by humans and on earth.

if true it would make a good time capsule and if advanced enough could fool a Turing test


I know about the men in white so to speak and how they allegedly came into a members bedroom for a chat, i guess they didnt bring any tea for tea time.



if anything i believe the person in the UK calling themself Astr0 may have stepped over a line with his story telling and let a few to many genuine secrets out, i don't think they are sitting on Olympus sipping a beer. He knew legit gray projects and even some black ones.

I would not be surprised if he crossed some line and the MOD or MI6 told him to knock it off.

dont get me wrong i would love for the story to be true, but i think LARGE parts of the story is just that, a story.

its hard for me to call him a story teller because i have seen the tech spoken about with my own eyes so it is very hard for me to put this saga in a neat box

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I'm set on the 'memory set' description for human memories myself. If one looks at it from the point of view of "reincarnation" we are born with a memory limitation of nothing there before our birthday. It has implications for guilt in a legal sense when we come to questioning the existance of something called "karma". I have other reasons for the point of view I have mentioned before and elsewhere.

So from a practical persective;" yeah humans are memory sets". To take the computer analogy further I'm equally comfy with DNA being the the OS's (Operating System) kernel.

But what if some East Coast school figured out how actual memories move from perception to “storage”? And figured out how to interrupt that movement from the outside (the brain)??

There is another way to look at that concept without memory meddling. Just change what is percieved via the sensory input in the first place so the person remembers differently to the one standing beside them. The overlay concept. The real memory would still be below, and why hypnotists try to fish them out of the subconscous. Maybe some scrambling between the two memory layers would explain the person's feeling of confusion.

My current thinking is the brain is the doorway to memory storage; the interface. That fits with what we see in alzhiemers and lobotomising. Then the question of where memories are actually stored comes into play if it is not the brain.

If DNA is the operating system and present in every cell in the body, we can suspect it is the whole body that is the location of memory storage. Maybe cellular. Then it is perception and our reaction to perception that we consciously remember via the brain. We can react to something with fear and not know why, the body probably knows the answer.

Keep in mind that strictly speaking the human subconscious mind must include the autonomic systems and the organs themselves. The muscle memory of the martial arts folk for example. The subconscious mind must include the consciousness of the liver, the stomach and everything else inside our skin.

If one puts aside the scientific point of view that the body is just chemical reactions and mechanics, one can appreciate the intellegence of even just our liver. The organic intellegence of our body.

This would explain how two individuals standing side by side can end up with different memories: one sees a BT while the other just remembers standing on the beach (…. “staring at the sand….”) In such a way, you do not need to “create trauma to erase a memory set” but never let it form in the first place!

I'm not sure trauma erases a memory. Most folks remember the event quite well. Trauma creates the "I don't want to remember". Eventually you don't remember.

But "yeah, it is better not to let the memory form in the first place if you want to hide an event. Much cleaner than torture.

You may have read a post of mine here on ATS, some time ago it was.

originally posted by: NobodySpecial268
a reply to: karl 12

On the subject of holograms, I've had two oddities along that line show up at home.

The first was about January this year. Woke up about two in the morning with (manageable) bodily terror and a pain focused in the chest like needles. Looked towards the window and there was a "gremlin" plastered splayed on the glass. It was maybe two or three feet tall.

I just watched it for a while and then it did something odd as it disappeared. It pixelated.

About the seventeenth of February this:

Standing at my kitchen bench, looking down at my cell phone as it lay upon the bench, the 3D bust of a "grey" appeared about six inches from my face. Very fine detail right down to the minute creases in the skin. Oddly enough the detail was better than my eye-glasses have ever achieved. The round eyes were closed and each was about three inches across. The forehead was lower than a human's and the face was slightly reminiscent of a chimpanzee.

I watched it for a while. Then it disappeared and reappeared in exactly the same position and began revolving clockwise on the horizontal, perhaps a 120 degree arc. It repeated this perhaps six times and disappeared.

Some impressive technology out there. The question for me is who's technology.

Edit to add: Since the bust appeared I got a look through 3D gamer's headgear. The same slightly over emphasized 3D feel.

The question for me is: did someone project the hologram onto my kitchen bench or was it projected into my perception. The position on the bench was the best view of my computer screens and keyboard. Yet my suspicion is it was projected into my consciousness perhaps by my brain.

Now the second consideratrion is holograms may not be one way projections as is popular opinion. That thing had it's eyes closed for a reason. It also has an operator, I could also see the silouette of the operator behind the eyes.

That story may have some implications in understanding the question of the BBTUFO technology.

What if it can be applied by sound (or light)?? A flying platform that can be physically invisible and mess with your memories of your sighting while harvesting your brain power for calculating galactic coordinates??

I have never seen a tri, not like most people here do. But there are times when I have felt something was close above my house at night. Yet when I go outside to look at it, there is nothing I can see there.

A lot of question here TEOT, more than I can figure out without getting a good view of one.