Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, plenty of ego left here... it was a tad ....er, much in my youth, though.

And you are wrong about the 5% you think is "truth" in the narrative.. I've asked a couple times and am STILL waiting! So...?

Oh and that link I gave YOU (edit due to mix up- the link you gave me was nifty and relevant!) was just some good physics... with not much to do with this.. other than reality in general, anyway.

ETA and reading that last post that I hadn't yet seen I can say your scenario, again, jibes with some of my own observations... like that time a Christian mystic attempted to suck me into his narrative description of reality and synchronicity occurred supporting his dogma.

However, there may still be an ...er aspect of reality and action in the "real" world that reflects Snip's narrative... hard to say, but I will say any and all of my "beliefs" are flexible... sucking them back in and spitting them out is what we all do... and in that respect then I'm more of a belief anorexic, actually.

a reply to: Baddogma

I don't like IM'ing much, so questions asked to me there
don't get much of an answer - a quirk of mine.

As for the link -- it didn't actually have much in the way of
physics -- it was intended to teach someone how to think
about this complex issue, in order to remove cognitive
blocks and selection bias. It's perhaps the best paper
ever written about UFO research in my opinion
(but not ABOUT 'UFOs' themselves.)

As for weird events, a few years ago I had a particularly
strong Tulpa. Well apparently it got summoned by some
Mideastern mystics who thought it was a Jinn. The thing
even identified itself with my name, and of all things,
their story got back to me over the Internet.

Thank goodness my Tulpa wasn't captured in a Genie
bottle; I don't look sexy at ALL in those harem pants
and I don't care for the cramped living conditions.

And on the 5%, since you are finally asking for realz
(LOLz) at least come up with a good, precise question
which has more meat to it, than "spillz your gutz dude!".





Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

And I don't buy that "real world" thing. It's a crutch
for people who aren't "all in", in discussions like
this.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
So, Kev, what is the particular 5% of Snip's narrative you feel models reality?

ANd the link referred to was the thread I linked to...not the one you linked... yours IS relevant while mine was just a walk through why the many universe model or a no universe model are the only two possibilities... check it out.

a reply to: Baddogma

Ah, ok, my bad.

The 5% ?

Sure.

We are indeed residents of a 'pocket dimension', one of the many
people see in a certain state of being.

Embedded in all these 'pocket dimensions' are the 'tail ends' of
'sentient transtemporal processes' which extend through clouds
of micro black holes, into an "Above Realm" where there is not
much difference between thought and reality.

Frankly, I can't fully penetrate the barrier. So I DO NOT KNOW'
if the place is populated by sentient laws of physics, 'deities'
'computer circuits' or what. My best guess?

Some form of advanced civilization of atemporal plasmas and
the artificial lifeforms they have created.

But from the perspective of those 'residents', they all have sent
out fibers into all the pocket dimension worlds, and these fibers
interconnect with our nervous systems. I could go into great
detail, but I won't here.

But in effect, these (let's call them this) 'atemporal plasmas'
are 'farming our creative capabilities' as if we were a graphics
co-processor in a computer say. They don't feed on us. They
don't suck life-force (that's a silly concept anyway).

There is nothing sinister about it.. you could just say that the
universe grows 'brains' so that it can understand itself better..
and we just happen to be part of that patch of brain.

So the 5%?

In a manner of speaking, we are being 'farmed' for our 'dreams',
and everyone on Earth has every second of their lives 'monitored'
from Birth to Death.

You must admit this sounds 'snippy like'. Only the realization of
all this far preceded snippy.

There IS tremendous love and beauty in that realm.. I love that
realm.

I don't think most people want to hear this kind of stuff. And
I don't claim astonishing accuracy.. not that i'm lying (I'm not)
but this is simply difficult to perceive with my limited mind.

But you did ask.

(as I love to say).

But all of the rest of snippy's narrative? None of it is true
in this world, insofar as I know.

Yes, big black triangles exist -- but it has nothing to do with
Snippy's narrative --- it's something else completely, and
half-way mundane at that.

All is IMHO.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Baddogma

Sometimes a phenomenon is composed of multiple parts, and the net
effect is much more than the sum of the parts.

Davis - Valley 6 Layer Model

I myself think it likely that the 'craft' I saw, can only be properly
explained by a hybrid approach, not one simple 'either/or' analysis.

Kev

I'm so glad you are 'promoting' this Vallee document (saw you had linked it in another thread as well)...

...I have had it in my bookmarks for years now - it is probably my number 1 favorite 'writing' on the nature of 'UFO' type phenomena/high strangeness in general - majorly relevant and yet hugely under appreciated...

It's good that you are giving it a bit of 'publicity'!

a reply to: lostgirl

I'm glad you appreciate it.

I'd give you ten stars if I could.

It's pure genius.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As my internet is spotty due to a short in the line when it rains, and it's raining here, I cannot reply in depth, but rest assured my perusal of the document you linked is ongoing... I think I read it years ago, btw, but my memory is spotty, so rereading is always fun for me.

Thank you for the clarification of the 5% ... interesting... and I appreciate you putting it up as it's hard for the "normals" (or sane... who knows) to grok... I have a weird brain and I'm not sure I really have the full flavor, but pretty good for a few paragraphs, I'd say.

Howdy Lostgirl...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

In a manner of speaking, we are being 'farmed' for our 'dreams',
and everyone on Earth has every second of their lives 'monitored'
from Birth to Death.


There IS tremendous love and beauty in that realm.. I love that
realm.

If there is so much "love and beauty in that realm", how come they don't care that we (their 'herd of dreamers') are drowning in ugliness down here?

Even the lowliest of human 'farmers' is capable of genuinely caring about the well-being of his 'livestock'..

There just cannot 'be' love, unless there is sentience which 'loves' -

- I honestly don't mind being 'farmed' for my "creative capabilities" or my dreams, but my 'waking' life is bloody miserable (major depressive disorder due to genetics 'not' psychological - been tested, got a clean bill of 'mental health')...

So if there is a realm of "love" that has "fibers 'interconnecting with our nervous systems", why wouldn't whoever is 'connected' to me pump a little 'love' into my poor, beleaguered brain?

I guarantee I am far, far more 'creative' and a much more prolific 'dreamer' during the rare times when the depression eases up...

You ask for "precise questions" - I would sincerely appreciate (to the best of your ability) precise 'conjectures', if not 'answers'..

a reply to: lostgirl

Hey there, lost girl. Good to read something from you, and you put this so very well...
I gave up on this thread, felt chased off really, but I had to chime in to back you up in this post. Being farmed for your dreams and the energy they produce, possibly, is one thing and bad enough. But I think they long ago passed over a certain line, as you dance around saying it, I think, precisely. Nevertheless, the implication is there, and I think many now realize this. The line was crossed when the "dreaming," itself became a controlled process. Mine are frequently so bizarre and yet so real, it's as if when I awake I never really slept but was living out an entirely different life, and I'm exhausted by it. Not to mention, I'm positive now that if we're all connected by these fibers, then most of what's in my subconscious in a dream state isn't even the product of my own consciousness. And why if you need my creative energy must is be so goddamn negative? Is there more energy to be had in the negativity of emotion, perhaps?

There is no "love" or caring in this. People have totally lost the concept of love and replaced it with possession.
Ultimate control over every aspect that can be controlled. That's obssessive possession. And it's as far away from love as you can get.

You aren't alone. And I mean that in the best way. I'm never alone, but surrounded by people who make me feel so alone and isolated, it really would be better to be alone. But when I say that to you, I mean your words and thoughts and creativity resonate with me in the best ways. And I thank you for that.

a reply to: lostgirl

Hi C,

Sure.

You can rest assured I understand to the utter depths of my being the
issue that wracks you.. called as you know "the problem of evil".
The question being, "How can a loving and omnipotent God allow
so much (constant) terrible "Evil" in the world".

I spent years on just this question. Years.

I went so far as to offer myself up as a solution for the "problem";
volunteering that I'd suffer FOREVER if only others didn't have to
suffer so much. (there have been several versions of this in
my life). The last time, I got myself whipped into such a sympathetic
lather, that one of my major 'Tulpas' became so large and powerful,
that (I know how this will sound, trust me), I started hearing thoughts
from seemingly EVERYONE in pain and I (I know how this sounds..
it makes me wince), I started seemingly hearing prayers.

That really messed with my head.

Only, 'feeding everyone forever' is not 'my job', and as a matter of fact
I couldn't do it if I wanted to, as I'm not some glorious cosmic being
any more than anyone else and for the most part we are not such
a being...

Nobody can 'answer' for the problem of evil. Nobody. Not me either.

Most people who think they have 'solved it' do so by sacrificing
themselves 'to it'. I was certainly ranting about that a while back
myself.

Now of course, first thing, there IS NO 'good' or 'evil'. But nobody
wants to believe this.. there are vast clouds of Tulpas in our
world that force people to believe this, if they present an
opening. The most 'evil' of them are powered by Christianity
of course, as Christianity loves throwing people into hell;
it seems the primary function of the religion. Sane religions
don't even create a hell; while others fixate on it, and this
fixation creates the hell they so love.. their Tulpa energy
creates the 'devil' and 'demons' and 'hell' and then they
whine and complain about that which they have created.

I can say, that there is a rift between our world and the
beautiful timeless world, and that once humans did not
suffer like we do. Before they invented religion and
killed most of the native people's, salted their fields,
destroyed their walled cities and burned most of the
books and destroyed the great library in waves..

There was a beautiful time before the Tulpa of the one
male god was created, and now are in the jaws of that
monstrous thing and others.

As 'creators' we humans have crapped up our nest, and
then we create a false god to complain about it to.

Now before 'the fall' (if you'd read the book you might
gain a measure of relief) there was most assuredly
suffering.. physical suffering.. and that can't be
helped.

The 'answer' to the problem of evil is not necessary,
once one removes all the corrupted thinking imposed
by society.

I could fill an entire book with this subject alone..
but this is an overview.

I know you won't like it.. your 'Tulpas are being
held prisoner' too. It's what happens to humans;
it's so common.

You know that i love you, for what it's worth,
and we've never even met. Love and beauty
do exist..

Kev

a reply to: tetra50

Humans love to wallow in misery. I don't understand why.

When I was a small child, I was beaten repeatedly, with wood
sticks and iron rods (rebar) by my parents.

Yet, despite this, I was always filled to overflowing with the
beauty and love I have referenced.

Now.. I certainly have had my low times.. there are times I have
ALMOST believed in 'all this evil'. But i can't.

This 'evil' that envelops the world is ENTIRELY human created,
and it's not necessary.

The patient is very sick, nearly terminal.. and maybe the only
mercy is for humans to go extinct.

But it needn't have been this way.. it was not REQUIRED that
humans feed on their own misery and then blame it on
aliens, gods, and so forth.

But it's what humans do.

We are not 'being farmed' in the Robert Monroe Loosh sense,
nor are we being 'farmed' in the Gnostic Archon sense.

We are feeding on each other. We are cannibals.

We could feed each other love, but we chose not to do this.

It is indeed very sad.

But some people feed others with love.. trust me.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

One quick comment.

There are a lot of reasons that Snippy's narrative was so compelling,
but one is primary.

Some people got to feel 'special' by having Snippy's 'high strangeness'
rub off on them. So they got to feel 'chosen' and 'part of something'
and perhaps at long last, a 'disclosure' was here, which would
rescue our poor isolated egos from the suffering and uncertainty.

Jim Jones

Some really well meaning people get swept into things sometimes, and it
eventually escalates out of control.

I will NEVER let myself become Jim Jones. That's why it's been so heart wrenching
for me to discuss the things which I discuss. But i'm being 'outed' by my contributing
to the upcoming book and other research, so I'm just going to put up and not shut up.
It's a solemn responsibility, to wave around this sort of stuff in
a responsible manner.

I don't want to hurt anyone.. I want to help reduce suffering.

I wish my friends (do I have friends?) would read this book,"
The Fall: The Insanity of the Ego in Human History and the Dawning of A New Era"

There is MAJOR healing to be had by reading the first 2 parts of this book.. it would
ground many of you in socioboiological reality.. and we all could use a stiff dose
of reality, after rolling around in this thread.

I do not wish to insult anyone, or degrade anyone, least of all snippy. He's a kindred
spirit to all of us I'd say. I'm sure he tried his best and PERHAPS things vaulted out
of control. It wouldn't be the first time nor the last this happens. It's very human.

Kev

Sigh. when people get all metaphysical they lose me.(yeah i know with as much weirdness i have around and inside me) This stuff needs its own thread though. If it drifts too far off topic it will be closed for review or something. but since we are all sharing our weirdness ill share something else(what as if being gender dysphoric isnt enough?. Oh shut up inner me)

Anyone here believe that conciousness can be sent along to any point in time? Well lets just say th e universe will grant you some weird things if you ask at certain times. Seeing as how i know im not originally from this time frame,but my relative i am in currently is lol.(yes yes i know assassins creed blah blah blah.) truths always stranger than fiction and seeing how consciousness is energy time should be relative.

anyway back on topic now. Why does plasma cause such weirdness in aircraft?

a reply to: yuppa

This is primarily a metaphysical thread, and a thread
which exposes psychological weaknesses present in
those participating in the thread (including me).
I for one take a dim view of people being taken
advantage of with sleight of hand and wish to go
crusading around to 'rescue people'.

As for time.. time is the greatest mystery of all..
or the lack of time.. I'd say that time is at the
very heart of 'this' mystery.

Since there is ZERO proof that ANY actual technology
is involved and EVERYTHING in this thread is pure
supposition we are not off track in any way.

Yes, I know about the various purportedly 'real'
UFOs that were 'seen on command', but a good
enough magician can make the Empire State
building disappear on Television so to speak.

Whether they were 'real' or 'not real' is not even
the point. Those 'sightings' 'juiced up the narrative'
and that was their purpose. It doesn't matter what
they were.

Now why does plasma cause such weirdness in
aircraft?

Well we can wave around the Condign report, or
listen to Bybots discuss temporal lobe lability,
or me drone on about bioplasmas from human
beings interacting with more 'mundane plasmas'.

But we all seem to have our 'hardened positions'
on these issues, do we not?

Kev

a reply to: yuppa

Perhaps plasma' has special electrodynamic properties, which would then be conductive through the plasma, which actually fills our universe. This explanation would be similar to what people who believe in aether suggest.

Well, there's still one part of his claims yet to be addressed, abduction. I think this is where extracurricular abilities of the plasma comes into play.

a reply to: wingsfan

You mean "dream abductions" ?

My premise ( that I wrote about at length today ) is that people
'abducted themselves' with their 'imaginations' and yes, perhaps
indeed sentient plasmas associated with the narrative were
involved.

These "plasma tulpas' love to play their games on poor unsuspecting
people who 'bare themselves' to someone's narrative.

Kev

a reply to: tetra50

That was a very good post!

It's the old "are archons really weak. .but can they get us to
be our own worst enemies" approach?

I concur that there are definitely 'critters' (Tulpas) and perhaps
the little bird/lizard things (I don't know if they are Tulpas or
actual 'aliens') who are a negative drag on the human race
and in fact are a major part of the 'control loop'.

I certainly do my share of human bashing.

BTW, I was not accusing you of feeding on misery in a loop with
LG. I was speaking in general.

I don't talk about it enough, but I too am certain that humans have
massive potential. We are, in a manner of speaking, if you must
use such language, "brain circuits in the mind of God".

I have to agree with the gnostics on this one.. the human imagination
is indeed 'divine'.

We are just so good at imagining hell, torture, fear, death, doom,
destruction and what not. I'm so tired of it myself.

I would love to be part of a group that actually accomplished
something positive, and in fact, my book I'm working on will
be much more positive than anything I've ever written here.

I want to spark a more positive and healthy imagination; start
a new narrative, not the doom and gloom narratives we discuss
here.

Thanks for your reply.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Humans love to wallow in misery. I don't understand why.

I responded very specifically to lostgirl' about the status of her dreams because her post hit a chord in me. Frequently, this happens for me with some of her heartfelt posts, but that does not mean I am "feeding" on her misery, or trying to spread mine to her.

It's interesting to me that there is more "human bashing" on this site than anything. It's fairly constant, and I don't believe in most of it for one hot second. Within the "control loop system" that Vallee suggests, which I've experienced directly in my own life, showing me how controlled circumstances are for desired "outcomes," by that "system," I don't think it is humanity's natural state in any way to cannabalize each other. But even nature appears to be this way, as well. That's the challlenge to your integrity hereabouts, attempting to hold onto it, because those types of taboos, and requiring that we break them because our hierarchy of needs is constantly manipulated to keep us from ouir true potentials and worried only about the basic needs tier or the social status tier right above that, are what is being used to "unite" people. And once you've taacity accepted someone's life being cannabalized in whatever way, you've accepted that at some point, it can happen to you, then.

I don't write about that to "feed misery" in anyone, but to try to help us all fight that aspect and hold onto our integrity.

But some people feed others with love.. trust me.

By commiserating with losgirl, this is exactly what I was attempting to do, not wallow in misery. There is a fine line there, I agree, but however, I felt the need to qualify that response because of these things you wrote.

We are not 'being farmed' in the Robert Monroe Loosh sense,
nor are we being 'farmed' in the Gnostic Archon sense.

I know from participating in other thread's with you, that you believe in Vallee's "Control System," and the loop it has us describing in our lives. This implies a high degree of manipulative control, of circumstances, at the very least, if not outright asserted control of individuals. If farming is not the point, for our energy as snip suggested, then what would be the point of such a Control System and its looping?

You suggest we are farming each other, vampirizing psychically and otherwise. This is not spreading negativity about the human condition, continually? But my commiserating is "wallowing in misery?" Wow. At least I have faith in the natural state of humanity without controls applied to it.