Scotland Vote No In Referendum – Selfish, Scared People, Well Done!

originally posted by: midicon

It is a disgrace that Gordon Brown has now launched a petition calling for 100,000 signatures to pressure Westminster into keeping the promise of more devolved powers. This from the 'triple lock' salesman that guaranteed said powers would be forthcoming.

I am a yes voter and would never sign such a petition, I wonder how others feel though.

No way will I sign his stupid petition. He stood there with the rest of them, grinning and making promises which we knew were knitted up overnight, and now he wants public pressure to ensure that the promises he made will be put through at Westminister?? He can keep his petition, but bless him he's doing a better job than the Yes camp at persuading No voters to rethink!

originally posted by: Hilux1996

The women gave me a piece of paper that looked very simple. No info on the back. No identifying numbers saying I was the one filling it in.

It's not supposed to identify you as the person making the vote - otherwise it would be easier to see how you voted! Tell me, have you ever voted before where your voting slip said who you are? Unless you are in North Korea (joke) I assume not.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Hilux1996

The women gave me a piece of paper that looked very simple. No info on the back. No identifying numbers saying I was the one filling it in.

It's not supposed to identify you as the person making the vote - otherwise it would be easier to see how you voted! Tell me, have you ever voted before where your voting slip said who you are? Unless you are in North Korea (joke) I assume not.

Yes I have voted before albeit a long time ago as I see no point in a fixed election. It's supposed to have some other numbers on it as per:



And it didn't.

a reply to: Hilux1996

Indeed, you don't need to take your polling card and it says as much on the thing. You just confirm your name and address, the same as you would if calling the cable company or gas people.

It is obvious not many people have ever voted before, judging by the "surprise" at how you vote.

And people wonder why we have a Government of half-wits all the time? Because half the country never actually bothers to vote, but seem willing to whine about the Government anyway....

So... this is just breaking....

Scottish Police Investigates Referendum Fraud After Glaswegian Finds Bag of “100s” of Yes Votes

originally posted by: UberL33t
So... this is just breaking....

Scottish Police Investigates Referendum Fraud After Glaswegian Finds Bag of “100s” of Yes Votes

Well this is not being reported on any of the Scottish news channels, so I doubt its veracity. If the police were investigating it, it would be all over our local news, STV etc, but it isn't.

ETA Also Glasgow had a Yes majority, why the heck would they be binning votes? And it wouldn't have made any difference to the democratic majority vote anyway

PS can't believe that there are so many people on here who have never voted before and therefore don't know about polling station etiquette. As StuMason says, no wonder we have rubbish governments if no one can be bothered to vote.

a reply to: Hilux1996

Interesting about how the votes were transported across the country from station to station, in some areas the votes were hours late getting there with road closures going on, and fire alarms going off to empty venues .


And with no exit polls being taken S.T.V news that night could tell hours before the official result that it would be 62 % to the no camp ,good guess work

Someone nobbled the weakest link in the chain i think , that is how i would do a similar thing , Banana republic voting practices

originally posted by: douglas5
a reply to: Hilux1996

Interesting about how the votes were transported across the country from station to station, in some areas the votes were hours late getting there with road closures going on, and fire alarms going off to empty venues .


And with no exit polls being taken S.T.V news that night could tell hours before the official result that it would be 62 % to the no camp ,good guess work

Someone nobbled the weakest link in the chain i think , that is how i would do a similar thing , Banana republic voting practices

Nonsense..some of these polling stations are very remote and once the polling stations are closed, the ballot boxes are sealed and then taken to the district counting centre, which is usually in the town hall or community centre main town/city of the district. There are road closures and fire alarms going off all of the time, why would the 18th September be any different.

As the end result was 55% to 45% then the 62% was not good guess work at all..it was way off the mark. You really are going to have to get over this, it was a democratic vote, where a good percentage of the population turned out to vote and the majority voted No...and I can't believe you are still going on about pencils in the polling stations in a previous post, you should google why do they use pencils in polling stations for yourself as you don't want to take my word for it, and see for yourself, it is common practice for a variety of reasons.

a reply to: destination now

Nonsense..some of these polling stations are very remote and once the polling stations are closed, the ballot boxes are sealed and then taken to the district counting centre, .


Helicopter for such a time and security sensitive issue . weather conditions for this were good in the air , but road closures of hours were not uncommon , Security and rule of law were a joke ,


As the end result was 55% to 45% then the 62% was not good guess work at all..it was way off the mark. You really are going to have to get over this,


I am still waiting for figures from a friend of mine to arrive at a precise count of votes that were cast and final figures of under sixteens in the school system in Scotland , and those barred from voting , and why the postal voting was opened early , all this and video evidence to of very sloppy or illegal practices going on all over the place , 7 hour hold ups in such a small country .


Politics seems to be a very ugly past time , filled with strange boring people . Where is screaming Lord Sutch with all this madness going on


THE MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY is needing to make a comeback with all the zany goings on in life as of late , why not elect a idiot to do the job ,

news.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: douglas5

I am pretty sure the good Lord Sutch popped his earthly cloggs some years back...

The Monster Raving Loonies haven't been the same since..

originally posted by: destination now

originally posted by: UberL33t
So... this is just breaking....

Scottish Police Investigates Referendum Fraud After Glaswegian Finds Bag of “100s” of Yes Votes

As StuMason says, no wonder we have rubbish governments if no one can be bothered to vote.

We have rubbish Governments because they are Selected not Elected. Why are people so ignorant these days that the cannot see the blatantly obvious. Every Prime Minister we have had has been related to the Monarchy. Now you could argue that we all are in some way or another. I'm not and Millions more 'commoners' are not.

Take for example our current Government.

George Osborne. Born with a silver spoon up his ass, related to the Queen and the Rothschilds (Same thing really)

David Cameron. Born with a silver spoon up his ass, related to the Queen / Rothschilds.

Both are members of the Bullingdon Boys which is a high-society club with members of the Rothschilds and Boris Johnson and several others who all populate influential seats of government. How come all those people who are all related, went to the same club together at the same time and are now the heads of our Government at the same time!

Granted I might be wrong. The researchers I follow might be wrong but history has proven otherwise!

Scotland subsidises England and the Royal Political Elite. A great deal of their wealth comes from Scotland. Do you think they were going to just stand back and watch us get independence and take that wealth and the Oil away from them?

No Chance In Hell!

originally posted by: destination now


ETA Also Glasgow had a Yes majority, why the heck would they be binning votes? And it wouldn't have made any difference to the democratic majority vote anyway

may I ask why you think losing some votes would not make a difference to the outcome ?

a reply to: bigyin

Because that area had already voted in the majority for the "Yes" camp, ergo, a few hundred more Yes votes going missing (if that is indeed anything like what happened and not some hoax by bitter Yes campers) wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference to the overall, or indeed local, results.

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Every Prime Minister we have had has been related to the Monarchy.

No they haven't (Although it depends on exactly what you mean by related as your later examples do stretch that definition to it's absolute limits)

John Major is an example (Tory PM from 1992-97) - as "common" as you like. Gordon Brown is another, Margaret Thatcher is too. And that's just 3 out of the last 5. How far back shall we go?

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Now you could argue that we all are in some way or another. I'm not and Millions more 'commoners' are not.

You would be surprised. Royalty and nobility had a great many legitimate children back in the day - I once worked out that assuming 2 children for every generation from the time of Richard III (Car park King) would yield ten's, of not hundreds of thousands of descendent now. And that's just from one chap who like his serving wenches, imagine all the Kings and nobles throughout history....

originally posted by: Hilux1996
George Osborne. Born with a silver spoon up his ass, related to the Queen and the Rothschilds (Same thing really)

He is only related to the Queen because he shares a common ancestor from the 13th century. This is what I mean by stretching your definition.

originally posted by: Hilux1996
David Cameron. Born with a silver spoon up his ass, related to the Queen / Rothschilds.

Again, stretching this to it's logical limit. He is descended from an illegitimate child of William IV and then through the female line over 6 generations, making his the Queen's 5th cousin twice removed. I bet there are many, many people who can claim such a relation and as a descendent of a bastard, it holds no weight whatsoever.

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Both are members of the Bullingdon Boys which is a high-society club with members of the Rothschilds and Boris Johnson and several others who all populate influential seats of government. How come all those people who are all related, went to the same club together at the same time and are now the heads of our Government at the same time!

Erm, lets think about this one. Maybe because they are all the same age? Makes sense for people to meet, make friendships and share poltical views. The same goes for the last Government - Tony Blair met Charles Falconer (later Lord Falconer) while at school and later went on to work for Derry Irvine (who became his Lord Chancellor).

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Granted I might be wrong. The researchers I follow might be wrong but history has proven otherwise!

Your "researchers" may be technically right, but they are ignoring the obvious and stretching definitions to their logical breaking point, while ignoring anything which doesn't fit (see above about PM's not "related" to the Queen, for example)

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Scotland subsidises England and the Royal Political Elite.

No, it doesn't.

originally posted by: Hilux1996
A great deal of their wealth comes from Scotland.

And what wealth would this be?

originally posted by: Hilux1996
Do you think they were going to just stand back and watch us get independence and take that wealth and the Oil away from them?

Why always with the Oil? It's only been a feature of Scottish "wealth" for 20-30 years and even then, barely makes as much money as some think it does. What about the other 270 odd years where Scotland had "no oil"?

a reply to: bigyin

Because there would need to be 383,938 yes votes to have changed the outcome based on the full vote count of 2,001,926 No votes over 1,617,989 Yes votes

Considering that the population of Glasgow is 592,820, then that would mean that almost the entire eligible voting population's votes were in that bin! And don't forget that Glasgow was one of the few areas where there was a majority Yes vote, so the whole thing just doesn't make any sense

a reply to: stumason


You misunderstand how the vote was counted. All the votes from all over Scotland were counted together. The side with the greatest number won. It wasn't based on areas / constituencies / regions

a reply to: destination now

As we say in Scotland ' many a mickle makes a muckle'

originally posted by: stumason
Why always with the Oil? It's only been a feature of Scottish "wealth" for 20-30 years and even then, barely makes as much money as some think it does.

Oh dear dear dear

a reply to: bigyin

No, I don't "misunderstand" - I am fully capable of understanding how a vote is counted yes, it was announced as an entire country but each local authority was responsible for the counts in each authority area and each area was counted and declared individually. It's no wonder people are confused about all this voting, it seems for many its a bit much to wrap their noggins around.

However, It is you who misunderstands what I am saying - namely, a few hundred "postal ballots" in a bin does not an election sway, that's assuming, like I said, it is even real and not some fake conjured up by the "other side"...

a reply to: bigyin

It seems you've gone to the Solo School of Debate - I have no idea how on earth I am going to counter such a well thought out and incisive reply.