Largest anti terror raids in Australian history.

a reply to: Boeing777

The only time I have ever fought, argued w/ an Australian here on ATS was about how I think not having gun rights sucked and that one day they would regret not being able to protect themselves. Their point was that their military and police would protect them so why should ordinary people need to carry?

OK obviously I am unwelcome in this discussion, so without causing undue anger... I will simply say that it worries me when GOOD citizens are threatened like this, it worries me very much.

a reply to: antar

ISIS is the new boogeyman. Al Qaeda 2.0

originally posted by: antar
OK obviously I am unwelcome in this discussion, so without causing undue anger... I will simply say that it worries me when GOOD citizens are threatened like this, it worries me very much.

You're welcome here. Who said you weren't?

a reply to: antar
Your always good in my books antar, Australians are different from us the majority are left leaning and dont have many conservative values.

I find it interesting that most are buying this news. I've seen my - the U.S. - government throw the terror card around way too much, seen them create terror suspects and place them on planes, etc. You guys are in cahoots with us, and we can't have all you Aussies going around not being afraid of the big bad boogeyman underneath all of your beds.

Just the way I see it. I wouldn't buy any story from our MSM upon first hearing it. There's always a agenda and the truth gets lost in trying to push said agenda.

a reply to: xavi1000

What should be learned from Islam?

Well if you ask questions why not educate yourself and get the answers.

Treating women like a cattle

Sorry that is not an Islamic tradition, Its cultural tradition that still to this day All 3 of the Abrahamic religious followers do to their women, its mainly middle eastern, can be found in Africa and Europe.

But basically mistreatment of women is a world wide phenomena and to point out a Muslim doing it and saying see what Islam teaches is ignorance.

no alcohol

Not such a bad suggestion or rule to not poison one self.

no basic freedoms

Such as?

What should i learn from that middle age stupid religion?

What would you like to learn?

You know so much already there is nothing anybody or any concept or ideology could teach you, so I I am not sure what you should learn from Islam, you say its stupid so it would be stupid if you wanted to learn anything from Islam wouldn't it?

Are you stupid?

a reply to: Xcouncil=wisdom

Most of us don't know anything about Islam,
Except what we see on TV

Ignorance of something is a lame excuse.

You could read the Koran and see how far from Islam Isis are.


Or stay stuck to the tube for all your knowledge that you yourself say is lacking.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

Excellent post.

a reply to: Iscool

We know everything we need to know about Izlam..

Yes intelligence goes a long way, what happened to you, run out of fuel.


People and media supporting the west like generalize when demonizing Islam, lets see if there is anything like that in your post

Every major city in the World had so-called moderate muzlims standing in the streets cheering for the terrorists...Not just a few, millions of them...Britain, Australia, the U.S., everywhere...

Who would have thought it?


Yeah I remember 9/11, watching the news and then looking out side to see the festivities here in Australia.

originally posted by: tavi45
www.nytimes.com...

Most Americans don't know anything about Islam. That article shows even our leaders don't know either. I bet most people don't know even the most basic and necessary things. Just for example, do Muslims believe in Jesus? If you Google it before you answer I've made my point and we might not know but you will

I could care less if ISIS believes or acknowledges Jesus. I could care less if they followed peaceful gerbils. They scare me and apparently most of the world!

Anyone else think that the timing is suspect?

Australia is getting ready to join the US' war OF terror. I would imagine that this will cost them a lot in tax payer money.

Dont they need to try and justify the billions wasted?

As in the US (and now other parts of the globe), Aussies will need to be spied on, tracked and traced and controlled. All for your safety, of-course...

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: antar
Your always good in my books antar, Australians are different from us the majority are left leaning and dont have many conservative values.

You know this for a fact, or are you just making assumptions?

I live in Australia and have done so all my life, and I would consider Australia a fairly conservative country. Our current government is a quite conservative right-wing government that had a lot of help in getting elected by the Rupert Murdoch media empire. They (the current govt) are very unpopular however; not so much because of their conservatism, but more so because of the lies Abbott told to get elected, and that they seem to be perceived as governing in a very poor manner by the populace (despite the best efforts of the Murdoch press).

Australians have plenty of conservative values, but in general are not as right-wing as the US on issues like abortion and gun ownership. Illegal drugs are slowly becoming seen as a health issue, and not so much as a criminal justice one. Australians are very reactionary on refugees, and that was one of the main issues Abbott campaigned on in the last election.

I consider myself to be generally left leaning in my own politics, and while the country may have phases of voting the Labor party into power (who are not that left wing anyhow), generally, the country remains deeply conservative.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: khnum
My grandfather would say fight fire with fire
. It would change their minds if we rounded them up and cut their heads off. Im so sick
Of these people terrorizing the West. We just need to roll the middle east over, take it resources, install proxy goverments everywhere, we need to bring walmart McDonalds, and up root and destroy any who wont see it our way. Sounds extreme but I think ultimately over time we will have no choice so we might as well do it now

Yes, by becoming as bad as our enemies, and forcing them to adopt American values has worked so successfully in American wars of the past. Let's defend freedom by taking away the freedom of other countries, and force them to do the bidding of the US. Of course McDonalds and Walmart promote such good values like good healthy food and paying such good wages that some of the workforce need to apply for food stamps.

You think we should cut their heads off and install proxy governments to defend freedom? Yes, that will teach them American/Western values and show them how democracy works, by installing proxy governments through a non-democratic process. Good idea - let's act like fascists to promote freedom and democracy.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Unfortunately the names in history that have successfully dealt with radical islam are ones like Genghis Khan and Vlad the impaler the only thing they understand or respect is disproportional force thats why Israel still exists,with this current mission our special forces will probably have success training the Kurds and Northern tribes,but the Iraqis are generally hopeless and just like Afghans there could well be blue on green incidents,the Australian SAS and Commando's are going over there and they would be far better off planning and executing their own missions with open terms of engagement than holding hands with the half hearted.Afghanistan and earlier Vietnam proved if you don't control the ground,you don't control anything,you can bomb till kingdom comes but that didn't get rid of the NVA nor will it get rid of ISIS,I tend to agree with your sentiments however when your fighting ideologies it might be decades not days to stamp it out...does the west have that sort of will?

a reply to: antar

We may not have "gun rights" (but if we pass checks and hold a permit we can own one ) but we sure know how to throw a tinnie in times of crisis (empty of course)!

a reply to: auroraaus

That is such good news, I know it is a hassle but when push comes to shove I think Australians will be a force to be reckoned with. I wonder if this has anything to do with needing their airspace or waters? If they feel threatened perhaps it would be an easier sell?

a reply to: TechniXcality

Thanks for that, the same with you, just message me if you ever think I might enjoy the discussion,

I know many other Nations hate Americans for the most part, but I personally see everyone as Humans, Earthlings first and do not buy the geographical, religious or political separation tactics. I am a proud American but see this as my planet too.

a reply to: khnum

obviously heating up cos the AFP have just taken over security of Parliament House.

a reply to: antar

oh yeah.. I was talking about this yesterday with my Son. I am glad he has a cross bow and a compound bow to protect us...cos we can't have guns.

He has just got his firearms licence so we maybe able to keep some guns in the house soon.

a reply to: sn0rch

wow that is three Members now dreaming about things like this. Maybe that is collective consciousness?

I have had some 'day mares'... flashes of things... like People being beheaded in the supermarket. I try to ignore it and continue to do my shopping while I see it. Very disturbing.

also, about a month ago, every time I opened up a cupboard to get something out... there was always a head in there.

I ignored that too... I am starting to believe that lots of People are intuitive to some of these things and either dream or get a day vision of some sort as a warning.

thanks for sharing.