How to Solve the Putin Problem

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Because thus far the criticism I have for my government is not taking a more direct approach to Russia with regards to Russia invasion of Crimea.

I criticize my government on a lot of areas and the reason you don't see it is because you don't read the posts and actually understand the posts. Not to mention other pro Russians have made flat out statements they don't read my posts. That is not my fault and if you guys miss something because of that, again, its not my fault.

As for Putin the man is a moron. I will continue to express my opinion of him, without much care as to whether it offends you and other pro Russians or not.

I find it funny as hell that you guys have no issues referring to Kiev as a Junta, Nazis, neo Nazis, Fascists, you call the west / EU / US names. So for you and other pro Russians to cry when I refer to Putin as lither or compare his cowardly actions to those of Hitler and Stalin is just hilarious.

It reinforces the argument that unless you support Putin you are somehow an enemy of the state.

The problem is not the west, the EU, the US or NATO.

The problem is you and your mentality when it comes to things you support and how that mentality handicaps you when dealing with people who don't share your same love affair for Putin or Russia.

i am not going anywhere... I will continue to post my opinions and facts and no amount of whining from pro Russians is going to change that.

You guys are not going to get a pass when it comes to Russian propaganda. If you wish to discuss these topics where only people who support your views are at, then I suggest you go to a Russian chat room.

a reply to: Xcathdra
I don't know whether you have me in that broad-brush definition of "Russian lovers" of yours.
Who is pro-Russian? Definitely not me.

But I tend to apply a balanced, possibly objective view to things around me, including international affairs. That's how I was taught when studying on naval academy.

Now, you hate Putin. We could shake hands because I too dislike him. Yet like I said, I give credit where credit is due. I also don't think that Putin going away would solve anything.You see, the things that Putin embodies are ingrained in Russian culture. He's not a product of implantation of foreign ideology in his country like North Korean leaders and their Soviet-based Juche and ruling methodology. He's as Russian as you will ever get.

Now, observe what happened to people who weren't criminal, agressive and dictatorial leaders in Russia. Of that we have only two: Gorbaczow and Jelcyn. Gorbaczow is hated to this day because many people in Russia think he destroyed Soviet Union and surrendered it to the West. Jelcyn was a drunkard who couldn't organize his own country nor stabilize it.
In lieu of these two Putin appears to be almost godlike to people of Russia.

You won't change Russian mentality or methods of doing politics. Russia will never be a fully democratic country. Maybe it doesn't need that, I don't know.

a reply to: Jelonek

implantation of foreign ideology in his country like North Korean leaders and their Soviet-based Juche

Juche is a product of Korea You take western ideas of Marx to Russia they become russian ingrained "socialism",
but when you take this further east to Korea it becomes surreal mix of russian style socialism with eastern style monarchy. Soviet Korea was humorist journal in USSR, I liked to read it when I wanted a good laugh.

a reply to: kitzik

Yep it is Korean.
What I wanted to point out was that apart from Juche which we can call the regional variety/mutation of Marxism, entire NK ideology and political structure was a feeble attempt at copying USSR. Let's not forget that after division of Korea at the end of WWII the entire NK party and state organism were built from the ground up by Soviets and their annointed "chosen" Koreans (I'm looking at you, Kim Il Sung). Kinda like in other Soviet-occupied states (take Poland for example).

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

It reinforces the argument that unless you support Putin you are somehow an enemy of the state.

HAHAHAHA !

And my teacher said nothing would ever become of me...

In a couple of weeks I have been :

- Pro-Russian

- Russian shill

- Russian intelligence officer

- Eurofobiac

- And an enemy of the state

What a career !

I also hope you won`t go, I need some good laughs every now and then.

originally posted by: Jelonek
I also don't think that Putin going away would solve anything.You see, the things that Putin embodies are ingrained in Russian culture. He's not a product of implantation of foreign ideology in his country like North Korean leaders and their Soviet-based Juche and ruling methodology. He's as Russian as you will ever get.

I would have to disagree with you. He's "as Russian as you got" back in the 1980's. Not today.

There was clear opposition to the notion of him returning to the Kremlin as President, more than had ever been seen previously. For every one person of the thousands who protested against him, there were another 100 too scared to join them in public. These were generally the younger generation, the ones who understand that the world outside of Russia is far more free, democratic and fair than they will ever experience under a KGB president.

In addition, I believe Putin has a mentality that flies in the face of rationality. I have seen several psychologists, and even previous associates, stating on camera that they believe he has lost his mind and is incapable of calculating risk adequately. He is the very definition of a leader who should be removed for being mentally incapacitated. He's a high-stakes gambler, willing to risk the security and futures of millions of Russians for the vain hope of restoring his romantic vision of the USSR.

I do not believe that the Russian public wants a rebirth of the USSR. Yes, many do see several of their neighbors as "Russian", just as many within those countries see themselves as Russian too, but this doesn't extend to the entire Russian society, nor does it go as far as people wanting to reform those old Soviet ties.

Ultimately, I believe it will all come down to either forceful removal of Putin (as a result of war, or through an internal conflict) or a political ousting of him by more powerful oligarchs within the country. The richest men in Russia couldn't give a damn about Putin, they care about their money and their status. When that is being directly harmed and restricted, when they are seeing their own wealth hemorrhaging, they will be the first ones formulating a plan to remove the man who insists on dragging them all down with him.

Really, the best scenario would be for the Russian people to revolt. That's what really needs to happen. The youth in the country need to become more politically minded, more outspoken, and more resolute in their rejection of the "traditional" mindset.