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Originally posted by Not Authorized
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Originally posted by Not Authorized
In my view, the Father is time, or conciousness if you'd like. The Son, his express image of him, while inside time. They really are inseparable. One cannot exist without the other. The Spirit is them both. Connected but non localized. Everywhere and nowhere at the same time.
Consider her the Event Horizon of the Singularity.
Although having said the above, Jesus claims to be the “Holy Spirit” IMO in the New Testament. Although perhaps (depending on your view), Jesus is just using simple language, that people could easily understand, to express that, which is already within all of us, all well as himself etc…
Originally posted by Joecroft
Although having said the above, Jesus claims to be the “Holy Spirit” IMO in the New Testament. Although perhaps (depending on your view), Jesus is just using simple language, that people could easily understand, to express that, which is already within all of us, all well as himself etc…
Originally posted by AlephBet
The Spirit descended on him at baptism. When it did, the Father said well done. He did not claim to be the Spirit. He received the spirit.
originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: AlephBet
Originally posted by Joecroft
Although having said the above, Jesus claims to be the “Holy Spirit” IMO in the New Testament. Although perhaps (depending on your view), Jesus is just using simple language, that people could easily understand, to express that, which is already within all of us, all well as himself etc…
Originally posted by AlephBet
The Spirit descended on him at baptism. When it did, the Father said well done. He did not claim to be the Spirit. He received the spirit.
It was the “Spirit of God/Father” that descended onto Jesus, (The “Holy Spirit” is something different IMO) and then became one with his (Jesus) own Spirit. Jesus later claims in John 14, that both He and the Father ARE the “Holy Spirit.”… 2 in 1, just like the verse in the “Gospel of Philip” states… the Holy Spirit is a “double name”
I can show the verses where I believe Jesus claims to be the “Holy Spirit” in John 14, if you’d like, because it’s something that’s not very easy to see…
- JC
Originally posted by AlephBet
Separate to Jesus. Jesus has this Holy Spirit yes, but it is not Him. He is all three aspects when he becomes Christ.
John 8:17-18
"In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father who sent me."
John 14:16-18
“If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
John 16:13-14
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
John 14:20
“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father and you are in me and I am in you.”
John 14:23-24
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
All the verses below, pretty much show that Jesus is claiming to be part of the Holy Spirit, along with the Father…