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originally posted by: tridentblue
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe
I tutored math at the college level, and in the private sector. I honestly wasn't that shocked when I looked at the common core. Yes they're making things more complicated, but they are trying to instill skills to make mathematical thinking easier in the long run.
Ultimately, the proof will be in the pudding. Let's see how kids who were taught this stuff score on tests years later. If its up, its a win. If its down, its a loss. Until that point, I'm not interested in hearing about how it makes things more short term complex for kids and teachers.
originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I actually learned similar to that. And I was thinking the same as above. When math problems get more complecated you do math trees. Not like exactly like that but, it won't be so difficult for students used to that.
My only issue is my kids don't memorize anything. There's no longer a need the teachers say. If there's no longer a need why does everything take sooooooo long?!
originally posted by: thirdcoast
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe
Take it easy on me, i'm a Common Core Kid. Where's my trophy?
I understand. If, IF i have a kid, home school no doubt (why bring a being into this #ed up world?). If the mom doesn't want home school, i'll just slap her up a bit to convince her.
An "A" student should get a free scholarship to their University of choosing. Thing is, (you already know) what have these "A" students been taught?
originally posted by: seasoul
Essential for mental calculation is knowing the multiples of 10:
10, 20, 30, 40, 50, and so on.
How do we add mentally by composing a multiple of 10?
9 + 6
Decompose -- break up -- the smaller number and regroup with the larger to form the next multiple of 10. Then add what remains of the smaller number.
Say, "9 plus 1 is 10, plus 5 is 15."
source: www.themathpage.com...
originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I do that too!!
Maybe they taught us that way!
originally posted by: Iamthatbish
I actually learned similar to that. And I was thinking the same as above. When math problems get more complecated you do math trees. Not like exactly like that but, it won't be so difficult for students used to that.
My only issue is my kids don't memorize anything. There's no longer a need the teachers say. If there's no longer a need why does everything take sooooooo long?!
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
a reply to: ChaosComplex
Thank you for your input. I do appreciate it and I do think you are mildly insane for loving numbers the way you do.
But seriously... I can tell you love it and it sounds like you would be a great teacher. My daughter had a math teacher last year that would show a problem once and get pissed when someone didn't get it. My daughter would come home and need more help because she was scared.... YES SCARED to ask the teacher because the teacher went into dumbassery mode on anyone who didn't just get it.
Fortunately my husband is really good at math, so he could help where I could not. School was a breeze for me. All except for the math. I swear it still haunts me now.
We need more teachers that care. You couldn't pay me enough to put up with the kids they have to these days, so at times I understand why you don't have more that care. Parents get mad at the teachers for trying to teach. They get mad when their children are corrected, made to behave, etc. it's a damned hard job these days to be sure. I empathize with many of them. But I am saddened that this has caused a drop in the number of people that really have a love for the job. Most deal with way more than they get paid for.
I know all that is off topic. I couldn't resist even in my own thread. ISS for me I suppose.
I do think it helps when the teacher has a genuine love for what they do. They work hard to help kids have a love for it to instead of just waiting for the last bell to ring.
In the end... I agree with you. I think this makes it more complicated than it has to be. I don't know enough about common core to be rabid for or against it, this just didn't seem quite right to me so I thought I'd bring it up.
originally posted by: thirdcoast
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe
Take it easy on me, i'm a Common Core Kid. Where's my trophy?
I understand. If, IF i have a kid, home school no doubt (why bring a being into this #ed up world?). If the mom doesn't want home school, i'll just slap her up a bit to convince her.
An "A" student should get a free scholarship to their University of choosing. Thing is, (you already know) what have these "A" students been taught?
I have been very fortunate and blessed to be able to stay at home withmy daughter. So I was able to catch those gaps and fill them in. Many parents sadly don't get to do the same and we shouldn't accept poor education simply because we can't homeschool. It shouldn't have to be that way. Sadly, I think it's only going to get worse. I applaud you for taking that into consideration before having children. Many don't. It takes a lot of sacrifices to be able to do that, but IMO it is so worth it, it isn't even funny. I may not $800 handbags and a Lexus, but it got to spend more time with my child than the "government" did and that reward is worth all of the sacrifices.
As far as "A" student... I get you on that as well.
My daughter bought home a "C" a few years back and asked what the problem was with that... that it was "average". I asked her if she had any idea how below average, "average" actually was now??
Education and the appreciation of it is certainly lost on the youth IMO. It is rare to find a child that completely understands it and appreciates it.
originally posted by: seasoul
Essential for mental calculation is knowing the multiples of 10:
10, 20, 30, 40, 50, and so on.
How do we add mentally by composing a multiple of 10?
9 + 6
Decompose -- break up -- the smaller number and regroup with the larger to form the next multiple of 10. Then add what remains of the smaller number.
Say, "9 plus 1 is 10, plus 5 is 15."
source: www.themathpage.com...
I guess maybe if that is the way you were taught, then that is the way your mind learns to do it? It would makes sense on one level I suppose. Maybe I'm just too damn old and set in my ways too think anything other than this would make it harder for some to learn? I'm certainly not above admitting that. I said earlier that I don't know enough about CC to be vehemently for or against it. This just was a bit much IMO. And again... Maybe I'm just too old to accept it as I've never had an issue adding 9+6 before. I think sometimes we can "improve" things too much. Whether that will be the case here or not, I don't guess we will know for quite a while.
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
Education and the appreciation of it is certainly lost on the youth IMO. It is rare to find a child that completely understands it and appreciates it.
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe I applaud you for taking that into consideration before having children. Many don't. It takes a lot of sacrifices to be able to do that, but IMO it is so worth it, it isn't even funny.
originally posted by: thirdcoast
originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
Education and the appreciation of it is certainly lost on the youth IMO. It is rare to find a child that completely understands it and appreciates it.
Agreed. You got kids in middle east, africa, asia running to climb on a truck that passes near their school so they can learn. USA and others has a lot of kids do everything they can to skip school (me included) Nothing makes sense anymore.
iamthatbish, math does have a vocabulary. I see numbers and letters as different languages, but at the same time, I can correlate them.