Capitalism + Medical care are killing people.

Both my brother and father died because hospitals are cutting cost for profit. They have bare minimum Doctors and nurses available. My Father died due to emergency room not knowing his recent history (day before in same hospital). My brother died because emergency room doctor was inexperienced and WAY to many patients.

Now Joan Rivers has died due to improper medical care. Guarantee you had right amount of qualified people been there she would be breathing today.

Doing more with less (Witch is current US corporate mantra including hospitals and emergency rooms) in medical field means more deaths or at least dying sooner than you should.

How many others think your family member might have lived with better health care?

Student doctors are an issue as well. The entire medical system is wrong.

I would think Joan Rivers would have had the best treatment money could buy however.

www.cnn.com...


I know lots of you dislike CNN, this is the only article I can find that was more than remembering her

a reply to: Xeven

I've had questions. One problem is that we've set things up so that treatments (which you must take for the rest of your life) are far more profitable than cures (which you take once). As a result there seems to be a treatment for everything and a cure for nothing.

a reply to: tridentblue

Exactly, there is no money in a cure! Next Level BS should add this....

The United State has a very low rating for medical care when compared to other nations - And it is much more expensive than the other leading nations supplying much better care for much lower costs - The US has the most expensive cost for medical care in comparison to other leading industrialized nations and a rating not even fit for a third world nation.

The cost of this inadequate to incompetent medical care is a big burden on the whole economic system, both government and private sector, as many people end up collecting disability benefits from the government becuase of inadequate/incompetent medical care.

And you might think there would be many more medical malpractice lawsuits because of this - Truth is doctors pay a small fortune every year for malpractice insurance and insurance companies will fight vigorously any malpractice lawsuit - And further how can you sue for malpractice when malpractice has become the standard of current medical care in the US ?

A lot of hospitals are cutting back. My father for years was a major hospital's Chief Senior PA, the only person who knew about capsule treatments (a small camera that goes through the bowels and I'm sure by now they've found someone else) and they laid him off along with a lot of other people, people of all ranks there. Even the woman who decided who gets cut was cut recently.

They literally only kept the people who have a proven record of incompetence.

But anyway, the current system is designed to suck the life out of people, turn human against human and destroy lives in the name of control. Honestly, the quality of care in this country has gone downhill, despite our so called advancements. Medical incompetence made my mother's illness much worse and due to their mismanagement she died in pain. I'm sorry for your loss and the medicines they push often hurt more than the ailment.

For years I was physically addicted to two different kinds of medications for depression. They made me sweat like crazy, intensified my anxiety and the doctors thought it was the greatest thing in the world. Don't ask me why.

I control my symptoms with self-analysis that has improved my condition and has allowed me to interact in society. The prescription meds? Nothing. And cannabis helps the best, not as an escape but as a tool that helps me realize my faults and cancels out my depression when I can't get rid of it through therapy or other methods, etc.

originally posted by: AlienView
The United State has a very low rating for medical care when compared to other nations - And it is much more expensive than the other leading nations supplying much better care for much lower costs - The US has the most expensive cost for medical care in comparison to other leading industrialized nations and a rating not even fit for a third world nation.

The cost of this inadequate to incompetent medical care is a big burden on the whole economic system, both government and private sector, as many people end up collecting disability benefits from the government becuase of inadequate/incompetent medical care.

And you might think there would be many more medical malpractice lawsuits because of this - Truth is doctors pay a small fortune every year for malpractice insurance and insurance companies will fight vigorously any malpractice lawsuit - And further how can you sue for malpractice when malpractice has become the standard of current medical care in the US ?

Lawyer told me in other states that Florida I could have sued in both cases but Florida has laws that protect medical corporations rather than humans. Thanks Rick Scott.

a reply to: spirit_horse

It is an issue. Of course as soon as some one talks about it, its considered advocating for regulation. But the reality is, the free market should be well informed enough to take care of these things. Money that goes for unnecessary treatments is robbed from other businesses, so other businesses have an interest in promoting more minimal treatments if they exist. The issue is that people need to be well informed, and will all this information tech somehow we seem to be failing at that...

Drs malpractice insurance will drop them if they testify on other drs in some cases. The system is horrible.

a reply to: Xeven

Capitalism is a destructive force it empowers the individual and not the collective.

And no socialism is not the answer by humanity is.

Good post Xeven but truth is it is not capitalism itself that is the cause of the problem. For example look at this article and consider that the other nations listed are far from being communists and yet supply much better medical care:

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Turns out that many of those “other countries” (including France) score better than the U.S. in at least one key metric not included in Cadillac’s TV spot — healthcare. At least that’s according to The Commonwealth Fund in their latest report “Mirror, Mirror On The Wall — 2014 Update” (pdf here).

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It’s fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn’t support that view.

See whole article here:
www.forbes.com...

And of course Obama and the Democrats were right when they said the medical system was broken and needed repair BUT from what I've seen of Obamacare so far it is like trying to fix a broken back with a band-aid, or cure cancer with an aspirin, it is too little too late.

" Capitalism + Medical care are killing people. "

Like the VA?

And Medicare cuts?

" Capitalism + Medical care are killing people. "

I hate to say it but the CEO of my employer was one of the people on Obama's panel of professionals who helped put together ACA. Remember, it was sold to the masses as a way of, "...lowering health care costs across the board while providing health insurance for millions of uninsured people without sacrificing the quality of care."

Our CEO was one of the people who crafted ACA. To lower the cost of health care across the board... As soon as ACA became law we received an email saying, "Due to recent changes in health care nationwide we will be forced to adjust premium and out-of-pocket expense. We regret having to do this but it has become necessary."

Oh, did I mention our company is self-insured? Our premiums go directly into the corporate bank account. Conflict of interest, anyone?

the CEO of my employer was one of the people on Obama's panel of professionals who helped put together ACA

THat's what I've been telling people- the medical industry told Obama that if he made everyone get insurance they wouldn't have to raise rates- now they're raising rates and everyone's blaming Obama...

originally posted by: CB328

the CEO of my employer was one of the people on Obama's panel of professionals who helped put together ACA

THat's what I've been telling people- the medical industry told Obama that if he made everyone get insurance they wouldn't have to raise rates- now they're raising rates and everyone's blaming Obama...

They're raising rates because of mandated additional "coverage".

It's in the law.

Too bad the "coverage" is more like cat litter.



And don't forget the insurance companies must spend 80% or else refund the money back.

a reply to: Xeven

Ah yes our governor, Rick Voldemort Skeletor Scott. The guy is a crooked scumbucket, I can't wait until he's out of office. He doesn't care about our state, he just cares about lining his pocketbook and pandering to the masses. School funding has gotten so bad that my daughter's school hasn't given the nurse the funds needed to provide the children with bandaids, and we live in northern Palm Beach County. It's such crap.

I'm sorry for your losses and I would agree our medical industry is utterly broken. It truly is a shame. Make sure you show on election day, Floridians are counting on us.

a reply to: Xeven

Quite agree, it's the way things are going now.

The rhetoric is all about patient care but every change is designed solely to save money; I thought rationing in Britain died out in the 50s, but I'm wondering if WW2 ever really ended?

When my mother was admitted to the local hospital following a stroke, it was only on the second day of her stay that she was given IV fluids - and only then because I happened to notice this and raise the alarm (she was unconscious and obviously couldn't drink).

The nurses/carers were generally foreign, had little workable English, of questionable competence, and couldn't be arsed.

No sign of a doctor anywhere.

Don't doubt that capitalists are the most vile, loathesome reptiles ever to crawl upon the surface of this planet, and deserve only death.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: CB328

the CEO of my employer was one of the people on Obama's panel of professionals who helped put together ACA

THat's what I've been telling people- the medical industry told Obama that if he made everyone get insurance they wouldn't have to raise rates- now they're raising rates and everyone's blaming Obama...

They're raising rates because of mandated additional "coverage".

It's in the law.

Too bad the "coverage" is more like cat litter.

And don't forget the insurance companies must spend 80% or else refund the money back.

OK, but you see part of the problem was and is that you, going by your signature blaming the Democrats, forget that while all this was going on with most admitting there were serious problems in cost and coverage, the Republicand essentially offered nothing to solve the problem - so the Democrats offered a second rate solution probably causing as many problems as it is solving - What happened to socially aware Republicans? Romney tried a plan similar to Obamacare in Massachusetts and he said it failed - Why didn't he offer some better ideas during the election? The Health care system is so broken in this country that people are desperate - many Democrats had reservations about Obamacare but voted for it anyway because there were no better ideas and the Republicans only seemed interested in maintaining the status quo -
If you have money you get decent health care coverage - if not you can die in an emergency room at a public hospital.

a reply to: AlienView

Republicans could offer nothing because Democrats had full control in 2009.

But Bush had some ideas..... for what it's worth.

How George W. Bush Would Have Replaced Obamacare

George W. Bush's Health-Care Plans