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Daughters of men does not mean that there are no daughters of God.
Sons of Seth and Daughters of Cain or Fallen Angels
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AlephBet
I read enough. I stopped reading here:
The "Sons of God" are deemed to refer to leadership in the line of Seth; the "daughters of men" is deemed restricted to the line of Cain.
originally posted by: Cuervo
a reply to: AlephBet
To be honest, I never knew there was a "Sethite" interpretation. It seems pretty cut-and-dry. Supernatural humbugs were roaming around, pissing off the Abrahamic gods and then they got hosed down.
The Sethite version of the story seems like an obvious attempt to make a square scriptural peg fit into a religious round hole. That's the case for a whole lot of current understandings in the bible. When I read something in the first testament that (again) seems pretty cut-and-dry, I'll hear the consensus on the interpretation and I'm left totally baffled.
If one takes an integrated view of the Scripture, then everything in it should "tie together." It is the author's view that the "Angel View," however disturbing, is the clear, direct presentation of the Biblical text, corroborated by multiple New Testament references and was so understood by both early Jewish and Christian scholarship; the "Sethite View" is a contrivance of convenience from a network of unjustified assumptions antagonistic to the remainder of the Biblical record.
The quote you used is the opinion of the author of the article linked. He believed, as do you and I, that the Enoch story is the correct version. All that you are saying here is accurate. Tradition is not the same as scripture, although we can glean good understanding from both. The traditions of men are not always the same as scripture, but I think it is safe to say that the article I linked sticks to the Enoch story as consistent with scripture itself, noting the account of Jude as compared to Genesis 6.
originally posted by: bitsforbytes
This got me thinking, all those Greek mythical creatures (centaur, minotaur, etc) were maybe true, dinosaurs, all the unexplained structures we have on earth were, I suspect, all pre flood.
And interestingly Oxford historian Mark Booth makes a similar claim as to the identification of these “giants” and "Spirits peopling the Earth”: he steadfastly states that the ‘gods’ of Greek mythology were one in the same with the Biblical ‘giants’ and ‘nefilim’ of the Old Testament. And recall that Greek ‘mythology’ is nothing but a more refined version of the Ancient Egyptian, Babylonian and Sumerian ‘gods’. www.theoryoflivevolution.com...
Mythology in its purest form is Lucifer telling his version of how the Supreme God overthrew his kingdom and violently threw him out of his own palace.
Will the Real God Please Stand Up
"This is one of the most amazing NDE's I've ever read. On his way to the 3rd heaven to plead for his life, God allowed him to go through the second heaven and witness the various types of demons there. Some looked half human and half animal, like in Greek Mythology. Others looked like giant angels, humans, and animals, and other strange looking creatures. God also was angry with this guy, who thought he was a great Christian, and said his life and works were worth nothing, and that he wasted his life."
Howard Pittman's near death experience
Originally posted by Donna Andes
"Howard O. Pittman explains the function of demons in his book, Demons An Eyewitness Account, written after he had a near-death experience... The third ranking order of demons were those who possessed skills in the area of dark arts such as witchcraft, false religions, meditation, self destruction, fear, magic, sorcery, hypnosis, occult worship, ESP, psychedelic drugs... The demons appeared to be part man and part animal like the figures in Greek mythology. ..."
Originally posted by Maria Merola
"The baby was “half” mermaid because mermaids are what we see in Greek Mythology. I recall Howard Pittman’s personal testimony of being taken into the second heaven during his clinical death experience. He was shown by the angel of YaHuWaH, certain demons that looked like half man and half animal. He saw some that were half horse and half human, and he saw some demons that looked like mermaids. Howard Pittman says that this order of demons are the ones behind occultism, witchcraft, paganism and mythology."
When Zechariah Sitchin was translating the Sumerian Texts, did he do that from already established understanding or did he do that on his own?
originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: WarminIndy
When Zechariah Sitchin was translating the Sumerian Texts, did he do that from already established understanding or did he do that on his own?
Hello WarminIndy,
From my understanding Zechariah Sitchin was self taught and claimed that he was an expert in translating Sumerian texts. Sitchin's story was all based upon his understanding of a creation of Anunnaki of the Sumerian gods. I understand that Sitchin was a polytheist and regarded the biblical Adam as a creation or manipulation by the Anunnaki (Nephilim). If the Sumerian texts do indeed tell Sitchin what he writes then he must have gotten this from the Sumerian texts. On the other hand if the Sumerian texts do not tell his story then he must have either misunderstood or embellished his work. There are lots of people that believe the Sitchin work. Am I right in my understanding?
originally posted by: AlephBet
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AlephBet
I read enough. I stopped reading here:
The "Sons of God" are deemed to refer to leadership in the line of Seth; the "daughters of men" is deemed restricted to the line of Cain.
But he was not expressing his view here, but showing the view others hold. His conclusion was much different. It's part of the overall view that his conclusion counters.
originally posted by: WarminIndy
I don't know, but there are indeed a lot of people who believe Sitchin was right.
"Trust me, Wilbur. People are very gullible. They’ll believe anything they see in print." ~ Charlotte’s Web
Chris White has produced one of the most important video productions dealing with the Ancient Alien Phenomena With the added scholarly research from Michael Heiser this documentary is epic in its scope – answering just about every ”Alien” claim made on the Ancient Aliens television show, one of the most popular programs on television which is falsely spreading a “Psuedu Gospel” with the help of a complicit media, imagine folks seeing a show on “The History Chanel”? surely the History Chanel has done their homework and verified at least some of this shows claims? You will realize that it’s not just our national news media that has become lazy. Our History Channel seems to be rewriting history as well.
The Ancient Aliens show and its prime benefactor Giorgio Tsoukalos has one goal in mind. To Debunk the Judeo Christian world view and replace it with an age old story, A story the most beautiful of created angels used to temp earths first inhabitants. A psuedo gospel that will possibly sway even the “elect” with a future disclosure. When you hear for yourself so many Lies, disinformation and the twisting of the “truth” coming right from the mouth of Tsoukalos – one realized why Christ called Satan the “Father of Lies”. His followers on earth just can’t help but repeat them…..
www.supernaturalresearch.com...
God didn't create a flood because he was disappointed with his creation. There were many floods in our history, not due to God's punishment, but due to the melting of the polar ice caps and global warming. All this obsessing about God's wrath and poisoned blood lines justify war, "end times" and the "Days of Noah" is nothing less than unhealthy.
If you feel that it is close enough, then I shall give it a read. I have read Apocryphal books and Bel and the Dragon, that one was strange. I was young when I read that, but the moment I read "in the time you see the moon three times a day"..well, ever since that time, I have gone out and seen the moon all through the day..lol.
a reply to: WarminIndy
But the Sumerian texts must have a lot to say. I don't know if they relate to the Book of Enoch, but it makes sense as they were in the same area. I have tried to read The Book of Enoch but would like to know if the present one is as close to the original as possible, because the man seems to have had a lot to say.
There is only one work of Enoch that is complete and that is the Ethiopian version. I rely upon R.H. Charlesworth who edited the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha in a two volume set. I believe we will always have differences of beliefs even among the bible scholars themselves.
In fact I spent quite some time in a different forum which is packed full of secular humanists and actually learned quite a bit from their perspectives. I have come to realize that Noah is actually the key to the Hebrew God and once you are convinced that he did not exist or that a global flood did not exist then you can easily dispose of this Christian God and Jesus.
Luke 17: 26-27 "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the Ark. Then the Flood came and destroyed them all."
You can see that if Jesus actually believed in this then the secular Humanists are destroying Jesus also.
So one of the ways to attack this Hebrew God theology would be to promote a Sitchen philosophy by way of science and secular Humanists. That is this new culture which is promoted mostly by movies. The new culture wants a new type of savior and the outer space guys fit the bill. If you put this into a movie then the people can relate to it simply because books are a thing of the past for most people. Some how the space aliens will come down and love us to death and forever take care of us. That is what this new movie religion teaches. Even in ATS discussions most all will revert back to what another guy says in a film. As though this other guy in the film is the entire truth of the matter.
The epic of Gilgamesh is the tool that is mostly used against the flood of Noah but then most who use this tool will not tell the entire truth. The truth is that the 11th of 12 tablets of Utnapishtim tell of a flood very similar to Noah's flood. This epic (poem) was scribed on tablets dated at 650 B.C.E. while Noah's flood is dated at 2105 B.C.E. Actually Noah's flood is 1456 years older than the tablets but the character named King Gilgamesh is listed in the Sumerian's king list as living between 2800 B.C.E. and 2500 B.C.E. So in respect, the powers to be have stated that just because the story lists King Gilgamesh on the tablets then the story must be true and therefore the flood of Gilgamesh must be 395 to 695 years older than Noah and therefore Noah is a fraud. Not even a consideration that whoever scribed those tablets could have been embellishing simply a story.
This teaches that the tablets age have actually no meaning and that polytheism was the rule of the day. The Gilgamesh story relates that it was a local flood which lasted about 6 days. That fits the secular Humanists science because they also insist that there was no global flood and that a creator is a fantasy. Along with all of this is that they must get rid of Noah. The global flood did not happen and they can prove this with their science, or so they insist. But now that Sitchen is dead there is no hope in finding if he could actually understand that of which he claimed. So far his Sumerian texts have not been verified. What we have left is Noah and his flood.
What has this to do with fallen angels, Cain and Seth? If we get rid of Noah then the rest is easy. If Noah did not exist then biblical accounts are nothing but stories. What do we have left? We have the outer space philosophy and secular science simply because there was no biblical antediluvian world. The Stichen philosophy would then battle the science Humanists and the winner would then be the religion of this era. I would bet on science because they already have control of almost all education in the organized world. Actually true Christianity is a diminishing religion.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AlephBet
The flood is baptism
I know that's your theory. I'm not seeing it. Baptism should represent being showered and submersed in the peaceful and welcoming waters of love, not crashing waves of anguish, regret or discipline.
In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also
Genesis 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.