originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
As far as solutions go, there is really only one, armed revolt. The Federal Government feels it above the law. It will not follow any law that is
contrary to its interests. It does what it wants and takes what it wants by force, and it will not give up anything unless it is are forced to.
Although I abhor violence, I am not stating this idea to be wrong. The problem is there is a massive flaw in your thinking here and to start I want to
comment about OP's threadstarter
I see people here, in my opinion of course, misunderstanding what OP is saying. I may be reading too deep too but here is what I see. Every single
President we've had has messed up royally, lied, cheated, whatever. I make no issue of noting that I greatly enjoyed Clinton's presidency...but I am
stupid to think he didn't do some foul things. No, what I read in OP's threadstarter is a deep question of why we expect anyone to be any different?
I loathe GW Bush and his actions. I voted for Obama twice and yes am admitting now I was hoodwinked on some things. But the problem is two fold
1. Congress can and DOES screw up things the President had otherwise attempted...on BOTH side...Left and right. No single man or woman should ever
hold so much power without checks and balances. The problem is that checks and balances water things down or destroy what might have been good
but that's only a small problem when you consider...
2. ...that greed rules in many people. There are indeed lovely, selfless and compassionate people out there. Everyday heroes who save lives and change
the game for people, not because they want a medal, money or recognition, but because it's the right thing to do. The problem is, it seems that for
each of these heroes (and trust me I am not one of them), there are hundreds or thousands of petty, selfish people who think that their needs are the
ONLY needs that matter...period
All you have to do to see it is look around you. Forget indoctrination and forget media bias. Just look at the people around you in even the smallest
microcosm. Drivers who think their text message is more important than competently steering a 2000 pound metal box. People who cut each other off in
lines. People who litter and then get mad at YOU for calling them out. Murder, theft, rape, even more petty crimes like property damage, assault,
battery all in the name of control, passion, and this idea that we are the only ones that matter. Now I am not saying that some of these crimes
weren't misreported or that some of these crimes were not perhaps related to other issues, but the point is, we live in a society where only "I"
matter. I am more important than the environment. MY text message is more important than the kid crossing the street. I deserve to take what's mine
be it mind, body or property.
Now, look...I am not trying to compare the gravity of tossing a cigarette but on nice clean grass versus destroying the economy or waging a senseless,
oil-fueled war. No...clearly one of these is much more dire. The cigarette makes things ugly and has the potential to harm the environment while the
war kills thousands of soldiers and many innocents as well.
What I am getting at is that this me me me attitude is top to bottom and while I think it is terribly selfish and destructive, it does not for one
second surprise me that a President acts selfishly or cheats, lies and destroys. I am not surprised one tiny bit.
VictorVonDoom...I hope you've stuck with me because I want to get back to the point of why I quoted you. No...I do not disagree that we need
wholesale change and fast. But as I mentioned above these is a massive flaw to your plan.
People are greedy
Let's say tomorrow, we've decided we had enough. Republican and Democrat, Black, white and every other race, Christians, Atheists, Muslims, Jews and
all religions or non religions all band together and take down Obama, Congress, SCOTUS, the police, and all the alphabet agencies you can imagine.
What then? We erect right? We plan, build, this new fabulous idea where we as a whole, a union, possibly a true democracy, or hell a dictatorship,
whatever you want, is going to allow life to flourish and create equality. We enact laws to help soothe all and bring out equal rights while still
encouraging healthy competition for the betterment of our new country (or world).
Sounds amazing doesn't it? I am a pretty true Socialist but even this sounds incredible to me. I would be pleased with true capitalism and
competition as long as there was equality. But I have to ask...
How long Victor? A week? A month? A year? A decade?
How long until greed erodes us AGAIN? Because this is what happens. We left Europe to be free from persecution and live our lives on our own soil. Now
even if you (or anyone) wants to argue that we came here to be religiously free or free to practice Christianity, look at where we are. I am trying
hard to be bipartisan here and I genuinely mean it
On one hand, we slap the poor in the face, stomp on their feet and break them and then turn around and tell them "well if you just worked harder
you'd be one of us."
On the other hand, we have this new idea that if we just punish the wealthy, all will be fixed even though they actually (in many cases) DID work
there way up. And yes, for those researchers who love to troll threads and posts, I am WELL aware that I was one of the people who wanted to punish
the wealthy...I am learning...new thread on its way about that
But look, my whole point is, you can read my wall of text or you can look at this little summary. We can overthrow but it will only be a mater of time
before the next corruption strikes and then we have to overthrow them. People are greedy and NO group is immune regardless of their circumstance. So
yes, we need a wholesale change...but it HAS to be a wholesale change of the individual mind because until we wipe out individual greed, societal and
group greed will never disappear.
I don't have answers as to how and I am not even condemning your idea. I am only saying that it is a bandaid, and a poorly fitting one at that
And I mean every single word with great respect to you Victor