Right VS Left ideology (The Puppet show)

originally posted by: neo96
There are CLEAR ideological differences between right, and left.

And we can thank that GD piece of paper for the reason the are perceived to be the 'same'.

Both sides know there is only so much bulls nip they can get away with.

But then again all politics is based on perception.

The perception of reaility.

Key word perception.

There is less ideologic or political difference than you think and most of that is just fluff and there for the media to get hold of.

A republican might say he want's smaller government and then push for more money for Homeland security and all the myriad agencies under that umbrella..effectively making government bigger. A democrat might say he want's a more socialist approach to things, but then is in the pocket of big corporations, effectivlely hurting the people he says he wants to hurt. That's all that really is.


The biggest difference is the wacky Christians on the Right-like Ken Hamm, John Hagee, Pat Robertson and the like and all of their millions of followers. That really does shape things... and how mean and hateful the pundits for the Right are like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and those lunatics. Not saying all conservatives and right wings are like that but many many are. That's the big difference. And all of those six that I just mentioned have millions upon millions of followers who hang on their every word.

a reply to: amazing

A republican might say he want's smaller government and then push for more money for Homeland security and all the myriad agencies under that umbrella

And the point is ?

A liberal says the same thing and pushes for social programs like SS,medicare,medicaid, and ban guns, and force employers to pay higher ways that fatten corporate pockets even more so, and increase regulation on bankers, and corporations all the while pushing for corporate products like free birth control pills,education, homes, the ACA, and free solar panels to save the planet.

The perception is hey look at the evil righties 'lying'.

Then turns around and left does the same things.

Think the bigger problem is that both sides do not know what liberal or conservative means.

originally posted by: zysin5
We could go back and forth, till we are blue in the face. Yet that will only serve their agenda. So I thank you for your input. I knew I would get some push back from this OP. I expected it. So I could hardly be offended that you come here and offer the only way you know how. From the Hole you have dug yourself into, you can not see what I see. You could. But you gotta come out of those trenches and look a little deeper into these things.

I gave some specific and significant differences between the parties in my opening paragraph and they were ignored. I wasn't expecting nor do I require an answer to them, but my examples do show a glaring hole in your opinion on this matter. If left and right were the same they would do the same things and that is not the case.

I am posting on a conspiracy theory board. So its not as if I think nothing is happening behind the scenes. I just wanted to point out how incorrect it is to believe liberals and conservatives are the same. Especially now in 2014 where there are stark and pronounced differences in actual governance.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: amazing

A republican might say he want's smaller government and then push for more money for Homeland security and all the myriad agencies under that umbrella

And the point is ?

A liberal says the same thing and pushes for social programs like SS,medicare,medicaid, and ban guns, and force employers to pay higher ways that fatten corporate pockets even more so, and increase regulation on bankers, and corporations all the while pushing for corporate products like free birth control pills,education, homes, the ACA, and free solar panels to save the planet.

The perception is hey look at the evil righties 'lying'.

Then turns around and left does the same things.

Think the bigger problem is that both sides do not know what liberal or conservative means.

The bigger problem is that both sides...conservative/liberal...republican/Democrat...right/left...think the other side is solely to blame for our problems when it's both sides.

It's also funny how everyone blames the president for everything when we actually have three branches of government. LOL

Come to think of it, Neo, I've never heard you criticize anyone on the right/republican/conservative side of things? Have you?

Social issues is the Achilles Heel of the GOP.

a reply to: amazing

Come to think of it, Neo, I've never heard you criticize anyone on the right/republican/conservative side of things? Have you?

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Then someone hasn't looked hard enough.

a reply to: Frith

I understand their fundamental differences. But there is something more to it than just that. Here is a video source I will use, that Obama Care is not just some left wing side. This is how they are the same. They all serve capitalism.
Right/Left have their surface issues, but underneath it all, is capitalism.

Watch this video, and those of us who can see the strings, will see the bigger picture.

I even decided to use a MSM source for this, and not one of my blatant conspiracy videos I have on the subject. Its even mainstream knowledge left/Right non partisanship.

a reply to: zysin5

I just want to say I don't have an issue with the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare as you use pejoratively. Its not a perfect system but it provides the ability for more of the poor and people with pre-existing conditions to get some type of insurance when in the past they were denied and were forced to suffer without it. I know. I know. That's a completely monstrous thing that Obama did. Making it so that fewer people have to endure illnesses without treatment.

Liberals may eventually force true universal healthcare and if this is the first step towards that I am all for it. We need all the help we can get.

Democrats are not gods. Neither are Republicans. The laws they get enacted have to go up against the opposition. Obama faced intransigent opposition from conservatives and from many parts of his own party. The Affordable Care Act/Obamacare is likely as good an option as the first black Democratic U.S. President could get.

OP I'm with you %100.

I always thought it strange that when one picks(or is indoctrinated into) a party, they blindly support every issue on that party's platform. For instance what is the correlation between the subjects of fiscal conservatism and stem-cell research? There isn't one. What do immigration and gay marriage have in common? Nothing. War and welfare? Climate change and common core? Completely different issues. These topics are unrelated yet republicans and democrats sheepishly adopt their respective party's stances across the board. It just seems like the opposite of individualism to me. We tout our freedom yet there are only two choices. Newsflash, there are more than two colors in the rainbow!

As far as corporate influence goes you can see here that it's a pretty even keeled playing field.

It is obvious that the absolute sole purpose of news networks and online news is to perpetuate the left-right paradigm. I posted this Rogan interview of Cenk Uyger in a recent thread I had very similar to this one. Fast forward to 48:12, Cenk is talking about how you will get fired, bribed, or sidelined if you don't push talking points passed down !!directly from Washington!!, and that goes for both red and blue media outlets. They maintain hegemony using Machiavellian 'divide and conquer' propaganda tactics, and it works like a charm. So much propaganda, yet most are not even aware of its existence much less the fact that they're barraged by it constantly.

Whether their members realize it or not, both parties are nothing more than tools for the banking cartels, corporate elites, political dynasties, war profiteers and eugenicists. I will leave you with a link to one of my favorite South Park episodes, "D**che and Turd", which is how I feel during every election.

It's funny how some ultrarightists are now scolding leftists and telling them that the left-right dichotomy is old-fashioned and no longer useful, and that there are no socialist countries anymore, except Cuba and North Korea, and leftists reply that if you say that there is no right and left anymore then one can be sure that you're a rightist.

a reply to: quodlibet

Conservatives have gotten so ugly in action and rhetoric that those that still support it have to deny thats what they're doing.

originally posted by: humanityrising
Whether their members realize it or not, both parties are nothing more than tools for the banking cartels, corporate elites, political dynasties, war profiteers and eugenicists. I will leave you with a link to one of my favorite South Park episodes, "D**che and Turd", which is how I feel during every election.

That is it right there! You nailed it.
I love South Park. They are so damn brilliant. When you can see the strings in this puppet show, and you watch shows like South Park, you can really get so much from those "cartoons" Sure they are silly and is Satire.
But in today's world we get our "truth" via Comic Satire. Sad but true.

originally posted by: quodlibet
It's funny how some ultrarightists are now scolding leftists and telling them that the left-right dichotomy is old-fashioned and no longer useful, and that there are no socialist countries anymore, except Cuba and North Korea, and leftists reply that if you say that there is no right and left anymore then one can be sure that you're a rightist.

Sounds like you got most of that all sdrawkcaB !!

Makes sense when the arguments run bone dry.

Does everybody understand that the "far Right" is actually in favor of limited government and idealisms?

a reply to: xuenchen

What I love is how everyone used to say the Republicans were for smaller or limited Government, now it's the "far Right". There's your all-time out. Whenever a Republican DOESN'T limit or shrink Government, it's because he wasn't "far Right". Republicans are EXACTLY like Democrats, they spew a lot of crap and back it up with lies

a reply to: neo96

Is that a joke? You complain about O'Reilly criticizing a Republican in one thread, you complain about O'Reilly defending military action in Syria, you complain about Rand Paul ONLY focusing o Clinton's sexual antics, then you agree with the Republican majority that Romney shouldn't run again. Please, show us where you put down a Republican thought or idea rather than this GD bulls nip

a reply to: mymymy



You might be right.

Some Republicans at higher levels are just as Progressive as Democrats.

Just like many Democrats don't seem to be "far Left" enough.

What's your solution?

a reply to: zysin5

The puppet show is NOT the left/right paradigm but the scam that creates a division of a left/right paradigm.

The problem is that people don’t realize the issue is ISSUES not block thinking.

A person CAN believe in fiscal responsibility and Universal health care.

Can believe in fighting terrorism AND tackling the global warming dilemma.

CAN believe in freedom of choice in abortion AND sexual restraint.

CAN believe in a higher minimum wage AND cutting taxes

The problem and scam is both sides thinking and making issues either LEFT OR RIGHT.

People should vote for issues independent of block thinking

When that happens reason, and clear thinking will come about and many of our problems will be solved

a reply to: Willtell

People should vote for issues independent of block thinking

Trouble is, "People" usually can't vote on issues.

Maybe annual national referendums are in order.

a reply to: xuenchen

My solution would be to just ban parties. It's ridiculous to think that you have to tow the line of a certain group of people to get anywhere in politics. You should have to impress the people, not the party.

And you're right about higher level politicians. At the local level, and I'm talking city and county level only, those in politics actually seem like they want to get things accomplished and maybe, just maybe make things better. When you get higher than that level though, that's when legal bribery kicks in and the interest in the people goes out the window