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Ashya King has the UK goverment wasted million and infringed on freedom?

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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 05:52 AM

So parents want to take there Sick/dying Child to a European hospital which offers a treatment not approved on the NHS.

Hospital gets a starts emergency custody hearing to remove the parents from the childs treatment,

In response the parents take the child out of hospital and go to Europe anyway and get a treatment he seems to be responding too.


UK police issue a EU wide arrest warrant and parents are now facing extradition and the child a halt in this treatment.
Ashya King now faces dying alone without family.

Im outraged by this! Parents should have the last say in treatment, And the UK if a FREE country! If I want to get better care elsewhere for my child I dammed well should be able too!

This is a disgrace to the NHS and UK Police!

O and I don't want this thread turning into a Left/Right pissing match with certain American members. Crap happens in the USA too so don't think this happened cause we are dirty "socialists" with evil universal healthcare. For every horror story in the UK I can find 10 to match in the USA.

edit on 1-9-2014 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:07 AM
a reply to: crazyewok

where do you draw the line ?

as an example of argumentum ad absurdia :

what if the parents had decided that burying the child in dog # was a " better " treatment

would you still support their " freedom " ?

TBH - I hate getting involved in the ethics of cases like this - as the treatment the parents want is scientifically valid and has peer review approval and testing - it just has not been through the UK certification process - and if it was presented it would PROBALLY be approved - after a long / pointless delay to accommpdate UK beaurocatic idiocy

but having said that - see above

for every case like this I can show you 3 where the parents attempteted to endanger a child with a switch to no treatment or bat shiit crazy " treatment " with zero scientific credibility

so back to the question at the top of this post - where do you draw the line ?

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:17 AM
a reply to: crazyewok

ugh what a terrible story.....poor child....the parents did the right thing in my a parent i would do anything to save my children if they were sick....

these laws are just f'ed ex lost my son into the system when he was 3....they rang me the day they took him,my response was i will drop everything and come and get him...their response was no,i had no right to him as his biological father...go figure...they put him in foster care with a stranger...took me 8 months of hell to get him into my care..the hoops i jumped through were ridiculous it turns out i am the first parent in 25 years to get a child back out once in this system

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:21 AM
a reply to: crazyewok

Tough case for me too, tbh. I have been getting "outraged" over the weekend by this story but i really do not blame the government (they aren't involved, so how could i blame them?) or even the Police - this one is squarely on the hospital concerned. The Police had no choice as soon as it had been reported to them - for this sort of case (missing child in danger) they have set procedures to follow.

The hospital have completely over egged the situation, got the Police involved and this has then resulted in an International Arrest warrant and the child in question being alone in hospital in a foreign country whilst his parents face charges. A good result for the caring health care professionals, eh? I hope some mid management types in the local NHS are feeling really s~!#* about themselves this morning. Sadly though, i have a feeling that they will feel they have done nothing wrong.

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:22 AM
a reply to: ignorant_ape

Well the line should be drawn if there was NOT a valid treatment option.

The fact is there was one, the parents informed the doctors before hand that was there plan.

The parents should not be forced to take the NHS treatment IF a valid alternative was available outside the UK due to bureaucratic BS.

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:23 AM

originally posted by: Flavian
I hope some mid management types in the local NHS are feeling really s~!#* about themselves this morning. Sadly though, i have a feeling that they will feel they have done nothing wrong.

They will likely get promotions knowing this country.
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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:35 AM
legally they have broken no laws in the Uk so the current situation of having them in handcuffs being pushed into a police car is disturbing to say the least. however if the child had died due to not being in hospital you would all be screaming WHY DIDN'T ANYONE DO SOMETHING! see the problem? they are damned if they do and if they dont.

In response the parents take the child out of hospital and go to Europe anyway and get a treatment he seems to be responding too.

How can he be responding to a treatment he has not had yet? you seem to be making assumptions here..

The hospital has already confirmed that they were helping the couple seek the alternative treatments via the proper channels this has been confirmed on numerous reports..

The sad truth of the matter is that the parents Don't want to hear what the doctors are saying, and who would? who wants to be told that their is no hope or other help that will make the situation better? this is the sad fact...

Your all looking for someone to blame, jumping on the media frenzy bandwagon that last week was screaming that this little boy needs to be found every 15 minutes on MSM, the same media outlets are now jumping on the other wagon and screaming at the police why have you had them arrested? always looking to boost ratings and place blame

Thing is sometimes life just sucks,and nothing anyone can do will make a difference, and the minute we stop blaming others and get together to make these situations better, we can all benefit.


posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:40 AM
a reply to: Quantum_Squirrel

I heard he had gone from high dependency to low dependency in the said Spanish hospital l so thought he had began receiving treatment.

And no I was not on the media bandwagon.

Sure he should have been found, to check his welfare.

But as soon as it became apparent that he was doing ok in Spain and wasn't being neglected the authorities should have backed off and left the family in peace.

Fact is the parents SHOULD NOT be in handcuffs in a court room right now facing extradition and separation from the child over bureaucratic nonsense!

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 06:53 AM
a reply to: crazyewok

I heard them say on the news, if he had the treatment the NHS was offering him, he would have brain damaged, blind, and in a wheel chair, unable to speak. Who would want that for their child. I would have done exactly the same as this poor family if I was in their position, such a shame.

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 07:10 AM
a reply to: crazyewok

Just to clarify i did not mean to imply you were on the bandwagon (although looking at my post i see how i have worded it that way and it comes across that way sorry), i meant the media was creating the wagons and everyone is trying to justify everything.

The moment a European arrest warrant was issued for an offence, the handcuffs were a cert, I guess the problem is a rational solution as u suggested above is just not avail in these situations when your talking powers and rights across countries

i cant help thinking how scared he must be without them right now i think they were headed for the Czech republic this is were Proton beam therapy is available at the moment , its not scheduled to hit the UK until 2018

so to clarify i do agree with your points, i just love to play devils advocate

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 09:41 AM
Thing im not sure what law they have even broken!

How can the legal guardians kidnap there own child?

Also any medical treatment on a minor needs parental consent.

So why all the fluff and hoo har?

Why are they ripping a family apart and deny a dieing child his parents?

It just seems all bureaucratic non sense

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 12:24 PM
a reply to: crazyewok

Before judging the parents of Ashya King, watch this and think! I would say they did the best thing for their child when the NHS were failing again and wanted to fry the poor little boys brain when there is no need as other treatment can be given.

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posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 12:54 PM
a reply to: crazyewok

Its an interesting story I'll try to follow. From a few stories I've read and heard, it appears that in the UK, the position is that children are property of the State and the parents are mere custodians. And, as well, it appears that custodians have no right to pursue treatment denied by the UK gov't outside the UK.

As to a Right/Left pissing match, as the US moves inexorably toward a One Party State, I have no political affiliation. As to the quality of care I see no argument; the US used to have a great its in disarray and will only get worse. But there's a sort of ironic Darwinism in this; the wealthy don't have to depend upon the gov't healthcare system and thus get better care, live longer, have advantaged children. The poor are left to gov't care and just don't get to live as long as the rich people. But...its more or less always been that way. And its not going to change any.

posted on Sep, 1 2014 @ 03:52 PM
a reply to: BennyOj

Im not judging im all for the parents if you read what I said.

I think this is a bureaucratic mess. And the NHS middle mangers and police need sacking.

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