Revisiting the NASA STS-75 & STS-80 Mission Footage (Warning: The following may contain science cont

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Rob48

That was a good example of out of focus blobs, but they do not match at all those ones with the tether event.

There aren't any "notches" with your examples, and I would bet they also do not rotate on their own center axis.

That's false. Look on the bottom right corner. At least 3 of them do.

Here is another example.

I dug out my old FD ƒ8 500mm mirror lens and grabbed a couple of shots in an attempt to show the annular or doughnut fuzzy blob they create in out of focus areas. (due to the shape of the lenses Entrance Pupil)

philipgee.com...

You can tell the notches on the sts-75 video are artifacts of the camera because the orientation of their clocking is a repeatable function of their position in the camera's field of view, as clearly demonstrated by this video: www.youtube.com...

The genuine weirdness of videos like these is due to the unearthly visual features of outer space, where our earthside instincts are depending on cues which no longer signify the same as down here.

In Mission Control it took awhile to grasp the 'new normal' of optical effects of the 'up and out', but I've tried to describe what we all learned in my essay on "99 FAQs about space UFO videos" here: www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html

Please look it over before deciding you already know enough about interpreting such images.

Even the basics -- like, are these scenes day or night -- are no longer obvious.

Based on your studies, on these two videos, is the sun out or not? And if the sun is out, are there any shadowed zones in the field of view, and where?

Watching out for truly unusual apparitions is a crucial safety practice because on occasion. such sightings have involved potential hazards such as spacecraft malfunction.

But no question they can look weird. We're not in Kansas any more, that's for sure.

originally posted by: Havick007
After doing quite a bit of reading, research and thinking, I hope I can offer some science that may back the video evidence gathered by the shuttle missions of STS-75 and 80.

Firstly, here is the raw STS-75 footage: [snip]

The STS-75 observations took place episodically over several hours, the raw entire downlink is on youtube, did you view that, or only the brief edited clips from the UFO shows? The crew also made a lot of 70-mm hand-held images, did you ever see even one of them?

As you seem to consider yourself adequately familiar with the basics of that event, tell us please how soon after the tether break was that brief clip you linked to, actually taken? How long between the break and the appearance of the "swarm"?

Has anyone bothered to actually read on the scientific data/quotes or links I provided.

I am well aware of how widely debated this topic is. The reason and motivation for posting a fresh thread is to share the science.

For a moment, forget "aliens, ufos". Look at the footage, the circumstances (electro-conducive tether... it's cause and effec t on objects, matter and area. vs the electro static/magnetic events during STS-80 footage..

originally posted by: Havick007
Has anyone bothered to actually read on the scientific data/quotes or links I provided.

I am well aware of how widely debated this topic is. The reason and motivation for posting a fresh thread is to share the science.

For a moment, forget "aliens, ufos". Look at the footage, the circumstances (electro-conducive tether... it's cause and effec t on objects, matter and area. vs the electro static/magnetic events during STS-80 footage..

Why not look at ALL the footage? Are you saying that in your wide research you never discovered the rest of it?

Let's see how successful your research was before investing much effort.

Day or night in the scenes?

Length of time between tether break and the video you show?

Assessment of video showing notch clocking to be directly related to position in camera view?

I hope we can continue this discussion, both about the actual event AND how interested people coming independently to the subject can most productively gather the required information to generate new suggestions for research.

STS-80 astronaut Tom Jones has restarted his blog discussion of the UFO video, here's a chance to interact with a first-hand witness. skywalking1.wordpress.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg
STS-80 astronaut Tom Jones has restarted his blog discussion of the UFO video, here's a chance to interact with a first-hand witness. skywalking1.wordpress.com...

A fantastic post by Dr. Jones. His last paragraph perfectly articulates what I've felt for a long time. He's a great guy, I met him at KSC just a couple of months ago.

PS, Jim, do you know where I can find an analysis of debris motion following the deployment of a particular satellite from the Shuttle which occurred in similar lighting conditions? I know I saw one some time ago, unfortunately I can't remember what mission or the payload. In my head I think I remember it had a PAM module attached to it, though I guess that doesn't narrow it down much. I just remember seeing a photo that showed the motion of each bit of debris and how it didn't form straight lines, showing that it was perfectly normal for small bits of debris near the shuttle to appear to "curve" due to perspective and other effects.

PPS, on further review it looks like I might have been remembering some analysis performed on the STS-41 video of Ulysses' deployment, though I can't find the image I was looking for related to it showing the trails of the debris particles' motion.

a reply to: JimOberg

Thanks a lot for that blog link, I think I'll share it in your other thread about the UFO documentary series.

a reply to: JimOberg


This clip is raw and unedited. I'm unsure of the beginning and endpoint mission time-stamp, specifically in regard to the point of the tether failure.

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: JimOberg





This clip is raw and unedited. I'm unsure of the beginning and endpoint mission time-stamp, specifically in regard to the point of the tether failure.

I suspect the time stamp is merely the run time of this footage, not the actual date/time of the exposure.

But I'm open to argument.

What time duration do you interpret the duration from tether failure to 'swarm' appearance to be?

a reply to: Havick007

This clip is raw and unedited.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but I am pretty sure someone who was on that mission will trump any video you can find.

But hey how credible could an astronauts explanation be...right?

Oh, look at all the UFOs flying around after Dragon spacecraft separation!
www.youtube.com...


Or they are just ice debris dislodged from the separation process.

originally posted by: wildespace
Oh, look at all the UFOs flying around after Dragon spacecraft separation!

www.youtube.com...

Or they are just ice debris dislodged from the separation process.

So glad you have that video, I was watching that live and thought it was a perfect example of space debris near a spacecraft. Here's Story Musgrave talking about some of this in relation to his STS-80 mission. I was able to ask him about it this past weekend:

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Rob48

You could be correct. I wish I could say either way, which of all the theories are true.

Thanks for the input

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

True that.

I would like to make a retraction - I stated "raw and unedited" as a fact. Whereas I actually don't know.

a reply to: Havick007

I would like to make a retraction - I stated "raw and unedited" as a fact. Whereas I actually don't know.

Now that's something we don't see very often...

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I'll give that a star, as I agree. One thing I'd like to convey from any of my threads, is that, I remain objective. Some threads and replies may lean toward one truth or another, but it's only because.. I know. I will now offer a couple replies with scientific data. It does not directly back up my claims, but if you can put the dots together.. you will see the truth

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Time dilation and torsion science:

I've collected and posted more STS-75 trajectory data and 70-mm photos here:
www.jamesoberg.com/ufo.html