Revisiting the NASA STS-75 & STS-80 Mission Footage (Warning: The following may contain science cont

After doing quite a bit of reading, research and thinking, I hope I can offer some science that may back the video evidence gathered by the shuttle missions of STS-75 and 80.

Firstly, here is the raw STS-75 footage:


Look at some of the objects, all very similar in appearance. For a start, some seem to phase in and out of the visible spectrum*(the use of the phrase "visible spectrum" is a loosely based theory in this case). The word dimension could also be used..

Now to the STS-80 footage. The same phenomena seems to occur (similar shaped/reactive objects), however there are notably less objects/anomalies on this occasion. In this case it seems the lightning storms ocuring below draw the objects in. Or perhaps, the lightning is some type of side effect of the objects interactive with the upper atmosphere?



I have also added still images (below) taken from the videos to demonstrate the similarity of the objects from both missions.

STS-75 Still Images






STS-80 Still Images





After tracking this object for several minutes, the camera operator notices more objects/anomalies moving in formation:





In regard to STS-75 incident consider that the tether was approx 12 miles in length. Some of the objects that pass behind the tether appear to be very large (using the tether as reference)

The experiment during the mission (STS-75) used an "electro-conducive" space tether.


Electro-dynamic Tether

en.wikipedia.org...

Electron Emitter- Tether

Flowing Plasma ion Collection Model

The electrons are traveling at approximately 188 km/s throughout LEO. This means that the orbiting body is traveling faster than the ions and slower than the electrons, or at a mesosonic speed. This results in a unique phenomenon whereby the orbiting body 'rams' through the surrounding ions in the plasma creating a beam like effect in the reference frame of the orbiting body.

There are three active electron emission technologies usually considered for EDT applications: hollow cathode plasma contactors (HCPCs), thermionic cathodes (TCs), and field emitter arrays (FEAs). System level configurations will be presented for each device, as well as the relative costs, benefits, and validation.

Dialectric Relaxation

en.wikipedia.org...


Dialectric Spectroscopy

Electronic polarization: This resonant process occurs in a neutral atom when the electric field displaces the electron density relative to the nucleus it surrounds.

This displacement occurs due to the equilibrium between restoration and electric forces. Electronic polarization may be understood by assuming an atom as a point nucleus surrounded by spherical electron cloud of uniform charge density.

Dispersion Relation

Dispersion may be caused either by geometric boundary conditions (waveguides, shallow water) or by interaction of the waves with the transmitting medium. Elementary particles, considered as matter waves, have a nontrivial dispersion relation even in the absence of geometric constraints and other media.

en.m.wikipedia.org...


Particle Diffraction

Quantum theory tells us that every particle exhibits wave properties. In particular, massive particles can interfere and therefore diffract.

Diffraction of electrons and neutrons stood as one of the powerful arguments in favor of quantum mechanics. The wavelength associated with a particle is the de Broglie De Broglie equation wavelength.

Ions/Ionization

Ionization is the process by which an atom or a molecule acquires a negative or positive charge by gaining or losing electrons to form ions, often in conjunction with other chemical changes.[1] Ionization can result from the loss of an electron after collisions with sub atomic particles, collisions with other atoms, molecules and ions, or through the interaction with light.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ion Sources (M/Wave)
en.wikipedia.org...

Ionized Air Glow

Ionized-air glow is the fluorescent emission of characteristic blue–purple–violet light, of color called electric blue, by air subjected to an energy flux.

en.wikipedia.org...

Plasma Physics




Plasma Oscillation: en.wikipedia.org...

Electromagnetic Electron Wave

In plasma physics, an electromagnetic electron wave is a wave in a plasma which has a magnetic field component and in which primarily the electrons oscillate.
In an unmagnetized plasma, an electromagnetic electron wave is simply a light wave modified by the plasma. In a magnetized plasma, there are two modes perpendicular to the field, the O and X modes, and two modes parallel to the field, the R and L waves.

en.wikipedia.org...


Plasma acceleration/plasma fields/ionization[b]

A plasma consists of fluid of positive and negative charged particles, generally created by heating or photo-ionizing (direct / tunneling / multi-photon / barrier-suppression) a dilute gas. Under normal conditions the plasma will be macroscopically neutral (or quasi-neutral), an equal mix of electrons and ions in equilibrium. However, if a strong enough external electric or electromagnetic field is applied, the plasma electrons, which are very light in comparison to the background ions (at least by a factor of 1836), will separate spatially from the massive ions creating a charge imbalance in the perturbed region. A particle injected into such a plasma would be accelerated by the charge separation field, but since the magnitude of this separation is generally similar to that of the external field, apparently nothing is gained in comparison to a conventional system that simply applies the field directly to the particle. But, the plasma medium acts as the most efficient transformer (currently known) of the transverse field of an electromagnetic wave into longitudinal fields of a plasma wave.

en.wikipedia.org...

I hope this thread has been informative. I make no conclusions as to the nature of the anomalies but I personally feel, after reading through the scientific data, a step closer to understanding.

I look forward to constructive feedback, opinions and suggestions from you all

HK007 O_0


Further Reading[b]

Electron Wake: en.wikipedia.org...

Sputter Deposition: en.wikipedia.org...

Harmonic Generation(non-linear optics): en.wikipedia.org...

Photo-ionization: en.m.wikipedia.org...

edit on 24/8/14 by Havick007 because: (no reason given)

Not debunking or anything, I find this stuff interesting, however, people are always using the length of the tether to gauge the size of the objects near to it.
The tether as shown is not twelve miles long. When it broke it coiled up, its much more likely to be about three miles long.

Great work!

I have always noticed the circular objects not only pulsate, but also slowly rotate on their center axis, which, if they were ice particles, would be tumbling and not just spinning on 1 axis alone.

Of course the real debunkers will never address those details.
Still reading through all the material you have included in the thread, thanks for posting it all.

"There are a lot of things swimming in the foreground, can you describe what you're seeing?"


"err, it's just some debris, over..."

a reply to: weirdguy

The way they officially use "debris" to answer the "what is that" questions so often, one would think that with every piece of hardware they transport into orbit, they also carry 20 pounds of metal shavings, saw ends, and extra smaller hardware they can toss out into space alongside every space walking mission

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

You also notice the gaps of silence between the crew and mission control. Possibly using their secure transmission channels at the same time as trying to transmit on the open channels.

a reply to: Havick007

I'm sorry but what are we meant to be looking at here? Giant objects behind the tether? All I can see is lots of very out of focus particles very close to the lens. You can tell that they are very close to the camera because of the huge change in appearance when the camera focus changes. They are so blurred that trying to identify them is pretty pointless.

a reply to: Rob48


Some of the out of focus circular doodads also go behind the tether, which means they are far far away from the camera.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: Rob48


Some of the out of focus circular doodads also go behind the tether, which means they are far far away from the camera.

No they don't. Watch again. The "blobs" are translucent, because they are so out of focus. You can see the tether through them, of course. That doesn't mean they are behind it.





In that second one you can even see the characteristic "hole" in the centre of the blob from the shape of the lens optics!

Similar principle here. You can see the swing frame and house through the dust "orbs" but that doesn't mean the dust is behind them.



The blobs are translucent because the object creating them is tiny. (Notice you can also see the same "donut" shape in a couple of the blobs at the bottom right - just like in the STS video.)


As for "objects appearing out of thin air", how about "dust particles moving from shadow into sunlight"? I know simple explanations are a bit boring, but come on, seriously?

So am I understanding that the conductive wire is generating/attracting plasma? It's really fascinating...

I cant help thinking it appears like either sea life or microscopic organism, but in space. And considering plankton might be able to survive in space... is it possible sea life evolved some sort of plasma form? Or is it just electricity 'acting' like life? Or is it like viewing the origins of electricity being a part of every living system (neurotransmitters and all)! I thirst for answers

I'm afraid you wasted a lot of posting time and research over what is essentially dust and debris produced by the Shuttle.

Shuttle orbiters did produce debris during their orbital operations. Shuttle astronaut Tom Jones says:

On every mission you see lots of debris that is released from the shuttle’s payload bay, or frozen propellant from the main engines or the thrusters that drifts along with you, in some cases for several days after you arrive in orbit. And so that little cloud of particles gets captured by the low light TV cameras on the space shuttle that are used by the ground controllers at night, and when those wind up on video, and if you don’t know the context for when those pictures were taken, those little particles might seem to you like distant stars or moving objects in space. The video I have seen in STS-80 is just that. It’s the low light TV camera capturing those ice particles in the very near field, only 10 or 20 feet away, and in the camera view they look like they are flashing, in fact they are just tumbling little ice flakes.

www.youtube.com...


Another source states:

There are more than 50 sources of ice on the shuttle, plus a steady source of debris such as insulation flakes from inside the payload bay. This includes 38 primary RCS jets and 6 vernier jets (which burn the hypergolic [self-igniting] propellants of nitrogen tetroxide and hydrazine), an air dump line, a waste water dump line, a supply water dump line, two fuel cell purge lines (the hydrogen one is always leaking water), two flash evaporators, a water spray boiler, and so forth. No surprise, then, that floating debris near the shuttle is a common sight. The particles usually (not always) spin, and depending on the axis of spin they may or may not flash, and depending on the speed of spin their flicker may or may not be picked up by the camera CCD scanner.

debunker.com...

a reply to: wildespace

I havent wasted any time... The more you can grasp the science of what is happening in these clips, the clearer it becomes.

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: wildespace

I havent wasted any time... The more you can grasp the science of what is happening in these clips, the clearer it becomes.

What is the science behind debris particles floating around in front of the camera?

ufo hunters debunked it already
go to 3:45 mark

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: wildespace

I havent wasted any time... The more you can grasp the science of what is happening in these clips, the clearer it becomes.

Does this make it clear enough?

There are your "notched translucent UFOs..." but oh dear, it's just lights and bright spots on Mir that are out of focus. The shapes in the tether videos indicate that the particles involved are out of focus "circles of confusion" revealing the shape of the optics, not having anything to do with the true shape of the light source involved. They are also translucent, so the much brighter tether will be seen through it and overwhelm the detector, making it appear to be "in front of" the circle of confusion.

a reply to: Rob48

That was a good example of out of focus blobs, but they do not match at all those ones with the tether event.

There aren't any "notches" with your examples, and I would bet they also do not rotate on their own center axis.

Seriously, answer that part. To date there has not even been an explanation of those aspects.

Sure, the tether could very well be out of focus ice particles, but no explanation will be given for several of their characteristics. This is the part that is suspect.

a reply to: ngchunter

That is no explanation at all. Using a blinking light on that object to explain all of those things?

You don't even know all of the answers, but are jumping on the bandwagon of acceptability. That social niche that gives the thumbs up to those towing the "accepted" line/...

This is always obvious when those like you leave out lots of unanswered details. This doesn't mean that I think they are living or aliens, it means the unanswered part is not being fully explained. This behavior is quite transparent to a lot of people.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I think the bit about those things being Shuttle-produced debris has been explained well. Instead of attacking those who provide answers, why not examine those answers and, if you don't agree with them, provide valid refuation?

Are people who jump on the UFO bandwagon any better than people who jump on the mainstream bandwagon?

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Think about what small ice particles or flakes will be doing in space: spinning on their axis and catching the light periodically as they move.

Take small spinning ice particles glinting in the sun, throw them way out of focus, add the "donut" artifact from the optics and hey presto: blinking fuzzy amoeba UFOs.

All these aspects have been explained, not least by an astronaut who has been on the damn Shuttle and knows what it looks like up there.

You seriously think there are giant UFOs up there which are being covered up by NASA, but NASA just casually releases video of them?

Sometimes, ice is just ice.

Edit: Five year old thread here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Look at the supposed "Donut UFO" photos towards the bottom of the first post in that thread. If you can't see that they are out-of-focus light sources hugely distorted by a lens then I've got a few dozen UFO photos to sell you myself ;-)

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: ngchunter

That is no explanation at all. Using a blinking light on that object to explain all of those things?

You're missing the point; the shape itself proves that the objects were small, close in to the camera and out of focus. They change in brightness because they're tumbling (or in this case because they literally are blinking lights on a fixed space station but that's to demonstrate this effect for you on a known object you can't claim is anomalous) and variably bright, but the overall shape doesn't change because they're out of focus and the circle of confusion is showing the shape of the optics, not the objects. This is the basic misunderstanding that exists about these videos which the Mir footage above proves.

You don't even know all of the answers,

I never claimed to "know all the answers." That's a cop out cliche canard, but I know this answer, especially from doing a lot of photography using an optic that has a central obstruction like that creating donut shapes in out of focus objects.