Did Buzz Aldrin reveal that the Apollo Missions were just simulations?

originally posted by: Bilk22What point in the video does he say it's a rock? Maybe he did in another video.

'When people find out about that they are going to say, "Who put that there? Who put that there?" Well the universe put it there, or if you choose God put it there.'

What do you think that means? Is ET the universe? Does the universe make "structures" that aren't "rock"?

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Thank you. That guy is probably the worst presenter I've ever seen. Yeah, mountains out of mole hills.

He is speaking universal truth about fear, and his use of the term Ejection Seat and Execution seems to be symbolic, and he might imply that he is under surveillance because he talks about having to be careful what you say when the world is listening, but other than that, I don't think it is obvious and I don't think my surface impressions are necessarily true or plausible, simply possible.

Oh well, interesting for a second and it evaporates.

He did call it a "simulation". Odd word to use in the middle of that interview.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Thank you. That guy is probably the worst presenter I've ever seen. Yeah, mountains out of mole hills.

He is speaking universal truth about fear, and his use of the term Ejection Seat and Execution seems to be symbolic, and he might imply that he is under surveillance because he talks about having to be careful what you say when the world is listening, but other than that, I don't think it is obvious and I don't think my surface impressions are necessarily true or plausible, simply possible.

Oh well, interesting for a second and it evaporates.

He did call it a "simulation". Odd word to use in the middle of that interview.

No, he didn't, stop lying. I already posted what he said. Keep lying if you want, the truth is right there.

He said when they PREVIOUSLY did simulations he was able to make the communications so everyone could hear. So he knew he could do it, so when they were on the actual mission he chose to do it.

Stop lying.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Thank you. That guy is probably the worst presenter I've ever seen. Yeah, mountains out of mole hills.

He is speaking universal truth about fear, and his use of the term Ejection Seat and Execution seems to be symbolic, and he might imply that he is under surveillance because he talks about having to be careful what you say when the world is listening, but other than that, I don't think it is obvious and I don't think my surface impressions are necessarily true or plausible, simply possible.

Oh well, interesting for a second and it evaporates.

He did call it a "simulation". Odd word to use in the middle of that interview.

No, he didn't, stop lying. I already posted what he said. Keep lying if you want, the truth is right there.

He said when they PREVIOUSLY did simulations he was able to make the communications so everyone could hear. So he knew he could do it, so when they were on the actual mission he chose to do it.

Stop lying.

Look buddy, if someone called me a liar to my face I'd punch them in theirs. You pretty much made up every word there. He said nothing about "previous simulations". Not in there at all.

"So we were making a simulation and I just thought that the guys out there should here what we're saying to each other. So I flipped the switch to VOX. Man they were impressed. So they said "Hey that's wonderful. We heard you guys talking as they're coming down."

This is exactly what he said in regard to the "alleged" actual landing. I just transcribed it. I found a few things odd. He says "as they're coming down". He didn't say "as we were coming down. I initially mis-transcribed that as that's what I thought he would have said. I then corrected it after listening to it again. Odd thing to say when you're supposed to be the guy in the lunar module landing.

The other thing that was odd is the "handler" immediately chimes in at this point with "chatter" that I guess was supposed to come from Huston? - I actually think he's giving subliminal cues to Aldrin as a hypnotist would - you can see Aldrin change expression. Why did this guy chime in when the man - the actual astronaut who was supposed to be in the lunar module and was telling his story? Odd sequence.

Yeah I know I'm a liar.

Come on you guys, please stop the name calling (liar, liar, pants on fire). Points of view differ from individual to individual, that's all. People see things from a personal angle, and with more or less of the information actually heard and taken into the structure of the event when compared to someone else. Building a conversation here is often just sharing your point of view so it can at least be seen as a near-whole, and the most important thing of all: admit when you are wrong. Do you know how rare that is in society? I don't understand it.

The mustache man at 3:06 says some weird words to Buzz.

Who is this guy with the mustache saying gibberish?

Why does the mustache man have to tell Buzz to get out of a plane and in to the shuttle when she initially asks Buzz about landing on the moon?

I see maybe an old man who lost some of his sense, with a helper guiding him back on track.

Or, perhaps, a helper who makes sure he stays in line. you know when you get old you start having less and less to loose and the truth is liberating. I like to consider all the angles, you never really know...

EDIT----

After watching a part of the full interview, there is not much to report except awkward hosting and Buzz trying to cope.

originally posted by: Bilk22
Look buddy, if someone called me a liar to my face I'd punch them in theirs. You pretty much made up every word there. He said nothing about "previous simulations". Not in there at all.

"So we were making a simulation and I just thought that the guys out there should here what we're saying to each other. So I flipped the switch to VOX. Man they were impressed. So they said "Hey that's wonderful. We heard you guys talking as they're coming down."

This is exactly what he said in regard to the "alleged" actual landing.

I suggest you stop lying if you don't want to be called a liar.

He is asked .. "Any fear in that?"

Aldrin responds ...
"I knew he could hear me, I remember in the simulations ..."

Remember in the simulations. Simulations is plural, meaning multiple ones ... and remember as in the past. Past simulations. you do understand English right?

"I knew he could hear me, I remember in the simulations the checklist had a communication said that PTT, Push To Talk. Ok, and VOX"

Other guy says ...
"voice operated, voice command"
Aldrin says

"That guys pretty sharp. So we were making the simulation and I thought the guys there oughtta hear what we're saying to each other. So I flipped the switch to VOX and they were impressed. So they said hey that's wonderful we heard you guys talking backand forth as you were coming down. So um talking to each other and the rest of the world could hear, uh, you have to guard what you say and not say the wrong thing."

Notice how when you hear the ACTUAL interview the meaning of simulation is clear. In the YT vid posted by the OP the guy keeps saying the first 2 minutes was them talking about a plane ride and a simulation in a plane. Once you know that is a LIE then the rest of his lies all fall apart. The reason Aldrin says simulation is because it was stuck on his tongue from when he was just talking about using the communications in PAST SIMULATIONS.

originally posted by: Aleister
Come on you guys, please stop the name calling (liar, liar, pants on fire). Points of view differ from individual to individual, that's all. People see things from a personal angle, and with more or less of the information actually heard and taken into the structure of the event when compared to someone else. Building a conversation here is often just sharing your point of view so it can at least be seen as a near-whole, and the most important thing of all: admit when you are wrong. Do you know how rare that is in society? I don't understand it.

Different views is fine. When you claim NASA expects you to take the Moon landing on faith like Jesus' miracles that is not a differing viewpoint, that is a lie. He keeps the lie going after it is pointed out as well, thus cementing it's not a case of not knowing, but willfully ignoring evidence and perpetuating a lie.

a reply to: Bilk22

Look buddy, if someone called me a liar to my face I'd punch them in theirs.

Buzz did exactly that to that ass Sibrel.

a reply to: Aleister
Well said! Thanks for injecting a note of sanity into this stoopid debate.

originally posted by: Danny85
I have always had doubts about the moon landing, I've seen the videos and heard stories from my Dad about my Granddad waking him up and all that but I just cant beat my own mind telling me that with what bits I know about the technology used back then and a few science teachers and an engineer friend that I've spoken to, my doubt just cant be beaten away. I have a theory of how it went down and maybe its one that is already out there but I'm gonna tell you anyway, so hear me out and let me know what you think or if you think differently -

We're skipping the JFK announcement, the picking of the people who are going - So they walk into the building, go up in the elevator and are about to walk out when the men stop. Three (I think it was three) new people in space suits step out and introduce themselves 'Hi we're the other you' they laugh for a few minutes and then head across the walk way and into the shuttle. Inside they just sit there, a prerecorded either video or audio is played and then when the time comes BOOM! the rocket shoots up and into space where it goes to the moon, yep that's right it GOES to the moon but wait, it doesn't land, they dont get out they just orbit the moon -

Ok, so the astronauts are met by their 'replacements' or 'doubles', they get into the shuttle (Isn't shuttle the wrong word to use here?), some prerecorded something or other plays, then they go and orbit the moon...ok, first time I've heard that. Please, continue.

Meanwhile back on earth, after the new space men go inside the shuttle - they are taken out and wait until people leave then they are taken to a military base and have to stay there until the mission is over - meanwhile, at the Kennedy Space station, reporters are given access to a room where they have to film the moon landing happening but they can only do it by filming a television - That happened apparently - and NASA play prerecorded moon landing with Buzz, Armstrong and the third guy - they play this and have people act like they're talking to them and wait for the scripted response and then how ever many days later, the lunar module crash lands, NASA tells us where it is and then they go and get it and out crawls ARMSTRONG, BUZZ and THIRD GUY! people cheer and they're heroes, they made it to the moon.

These 'doubles' go inside the shuttle (a different 'shuttle' or the one that already blasted off on the way to the moon?), then to a military base to wait until the end of the mission...which is actually happening...then reporters film the prerecorded moon landing from a television screen with faked conversations, then the lunar module comes back to earth, and out come the astronauts.

Holy crap my head hurts. That might just be the most far fetched thing I've ever read. Don't most moon landing deniers say something about how we couldn't make it to the moon because of all kinds of made up reasons? Now you say we made it but didn't land, just orbited. Wow.

But what happened to the astronauts, both the originals and these 'doubles' or stand-ins or whatever they are supposed to be?

That's how I see it happening or something along those lines. Not perfect but good enough for me.

Good enough? How can you be so easily satisfied with such a ridiculous theory????

Well I've had enough of one poster to this thread and will bow out. He's obviously achieved his mission here. Do not question what your told good people. Heck, I actually didn't and was attacked. I just pointed to the instances where those who choose to believe the alternate truth, have some validity. Ah what a waste of time here when shills rule the day.

a reply to: Bilk22

How about you just stop lying and making ridiculous posts using logical fallacies.

"they made superman fly in movies so they can fake the moon landing"
It's a logical fallacy.

Then I loved your unless I used my telescope and radio to view/listen to the astronauts then no one else did either.
Logical fallacy.

This was the best of all though:

We're told for millennia that Jesus was the son of god. Some believe it and some don't. Some believed it then, when Jesus walked the Earth and some didn't. The same thing applies here. We're told something and expected to accept it on face value because it comes from authority.

Saying believing in Moon Landings is exactly like believing in Jesus, there is no evidence and you just have to accept it because someone told you to. Seriously, just stop. You are obviously looking for ways to disbelieve the moon landings and digging deep into ridiculousness to do so.

When you are so invested in something that you have to flat out lie and ignore all evidence you should probably take that as a sign something is wrong.

originally posted by: Bilk22
Well I've had enough of one poster to this thread and will bow out. He's obviously achieved his mission here. Do not question what your told good people. Heck, I actually didn't and was attacked. I just pointed to the instances where those who choose to believe the alternate truth, have some validity. Ah what a waste of time here when shills rule the day.

So words on a screen from a complete stranger are enough to discourage you from participating? And because someone has an opposing view they are a shill? That word seems to be thrown around ATS a lot lately, and quite frankly I see it as a cop out.

Also, there is no such thing as 'alternate truth', what's true is true, what's false is false. Period. There are alternate theories, but there is only ever one truth. No way to find the truth if you get so easily discouraged.

My opinion is that Buzz is not fully there in mind (due to age) and it's not really worth analyzing every little word he says with hopes of finding some underlying truth to anything.

originally posted by: Bilk22

"So we were making a simulation and I just thought that the guys out there should here what we're saying to each other. So I flipped the switch to VOX. Man they were impressed. So they said "Hey that's wonderful. We heard you guys talking as they're coming down."

This is exactly what he said in regard to the "alleged" actual landing. I just transcribed it. I found a few things odd. He says "as they're coming down". He didn't say "as we were coming down. I initially mis-transcribed that as that's what I thought he would have said.

he said "as you were coming down"

a reply to: choos

Indeed that is exactly what he said. Meaning that is what the people said to them, they (the people) heard them (Aldrin and crew) as they were coming down.

a reply to: Danny85

MMM. Lets imagine the fall out with regards to moon landings if it all went wrong which it could have done at any point with sixties technology. Americans stranded and dying on the Moon, the real live life show, because American technology failed. It would be a gift to the Soviets during the Cold war. The only way it couldn't fail is by not going there.
Who would risk the lives of top guns, with primitive tech. In a mission beyond Earths orbit, for political gain?. No one because if it went pear shaped you'd look like an irresponsible idiot. Much of it would have to have been faked because the risk of not doing so would be to much. The question is how much was faked. Beyond the van Allan belt where the radiation kills, where the Russians dare not go, and where the electronics all stood up rather well.
Many years later with the advanced tech. the Chinese couldn't get their moon rover to last very long .It all smells fishy.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Danny85

MMM. Lets imagine the fall out with regards to moon landings if it all ...

Was shown to be a fake HOAX by Russia who was watching the Eagle like a Hawk.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Danny85

MMM. Lets imagine the fall out with regards to moon landings if it all ...

Was shown to be a fake HOAX by Russia who was watching the Eagle like a Hawk.

A fake hoax, like a hoaxed hoax?

Citation for that massacre of the English language?

originally posted by: ChaosComplex

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Danny85

MMM. Lets imagine the fall out with regards to moon landings if it all ...

Was shown to be a fake HOAX by Russia who was watching the Eagle like a Hawk.

A fake hoax, like a hoaxed hoax?

Citation for that massacre of the English language?

The use of fake is not necessary, but hardly a massacre, nor does it alter my point that Russia discovering we did not go to the moon would have been an even bigger deal, and much more likely to happen than a malfunction as Russia was watching. I think this thread has had enough logical fallacies without the need for you or anyone else to add more.