Shoot-on-Sight Order in Ebola-Wary Liberia

Liberia's armed forces have reportedly been given orders to shoot people trying to illegally cross the border from neighbouring Sierra Leone, which was closed to stem the spread of Ebola.

Soldiers stationed in Bomi and Grand Cape Mount counties, which border Sierra Leone, were to 'shoot on sight' any person trying to cross the border, said deputy chief of staff, Colonel Eric Dennis, according to local newspaper the Daily Observer.

The order comes after border officials reported people continued to cross the porous border illegally.

Illegal crossings were a major health threat, said Mulbah, 'because we don't know the health status of those who cross at night'.

Shoot-on-Sight Order in Ebola-Wary Liberia

This is getting pretty serious. I wonder if this could and/or will happen in other countries. Will other countries give "shoot-on-sight" orders to illegals crossing in from countries with outbreaks?

Mr. Mulbah does make a point in that nobody really knows what viruses or diseases people could be carrying. If people are illegally entering another country from one where there is an outbreak, the only other way to "attempt" to contain it is to put every illegal into a quarantined area, and to individually test every person.

this ebola situation is primed to spiral out of control. the next 10 days or so will either see an explosion of confirmed cases or a sudden cessation of the spread.

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
this ebola situation is primed to spiral out of control. the next 10 days or so will either see an explosion of confirmed cases or a sudden cessation of the spread.

I can't believe it's still running. Almost like somebody tampered with it.

Ebola's got an R nought of between 1 and 4. If it goes airborne that'll increase six fold. It won't matter anymore after that. You'll have to imagine an Earth with 60 to 80 percent less inhabitants.

A complicated situation for sure... goes to show how fear can inspire even scarier decisions. And what to do when the affected populations have so little faith in the West that they actively resist attempts at 'humanitarian' relief? Certainly the West is somewhat responsible for the spread of the outbreak, having created this atmosphere of mistrust that caused unrest and illegal migrations, instead of cooperation in fighting the virus?

Without trust between the people and international agencies, humanitarian aid builds with one hand what it breaks with the other.

a reply to: tAcAnAvAn

Without trust between the people and international agencies, humanitarian aid builds with one hand what it breaks with the other.

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originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
this ebola situation is primed to spiral out of control. the next 10 days or so will either see an explosion of confirmed cases or a sudden cessation of the spread.

I can't believe it's still running. Almost like somebody tampered with it.

Ebola's got an R nought of between 1 and 4. If it goes airborne that'll increase six fold. It won't matter anymore after that. You'll have to imagine an Earth with 60 to 80 percent less inhabitants.

It's just not going to go airborne though is it?

Ebola is very treatable because it doesn't spread too well, it's the lack of simple equipment such as gloves that was/is the problem.

It is spread in similar ways as HIV, as in via bodily secretions or contact with blood.


But your right, if MSM is to believed then it's as if this current strain that's kicking ass has been tampered with or the epidemic it's causing has been severely neglected. The scaremongering is causing a hype though, people are believing any and every fake report that's coming out regarding Ebola.

Personally I see nothing more stupid than the idea of killing people just incase they have Ebola, they clearly have no idea how that virus works. Heck I'm a nobody in no position of power whatsoever and I know the basics of how Ebola is contracted.

Pooh excuse.

a reply to: _BoneZ_

Luckily for ebola,we (the U.S.) have a president that attacks ANY attempt to secure our border.

a reply to: _BoneZ_

Hey!

I heard through the proverbial grapevine that there is localized situations like the one you posted above happening in Liberia, Guinea, Mali and Ivory Coast. Most if any are isolated cases of hysteria and for the most part unsubstantiated to any great degree but the fact that people are talking is enough for one to think something is going on.

Today there was some trash in my front lawn that blew in from the neighbors. It was just an old plastic bread loaf wrapper, but as I bent down to pick it up a thought went through my head. What if the person who had this piece of trash before me was ill or had ebola? I haven't paid any REAL attention to this issue until that very moment! I picked it up and threw it away anyway. . .

TTYS, AB

a reply to: AnteBellum

Today there was some trash in my front lawn that blew in from the neighbors. It was just an old plastic bread loaf wrapper, but as I bent down to pick it up a thought went through my head. What if the person who had this piece of trash before me was ill or had ebola? I haven't paid any REAL attention to this issue until that very moment! I picked it up and threw it away anyway. . .

WHO - Ebola

Unless the person who once owned that wrapper was so hungry that he dribbled all over it profusely or literally saw the sight of the lovely wrapped bread and decided to make love with it... Your not going to get the disease.

Since the thought crossed your head though, do you consider the idea of you being infected by the Ebola virus (or any other deadly virus) a real and considerate one or do you consider the idea as something to be thrown away?

a reply to: RAY1990

Considering most people do not wash their hands at times after going to the bathroom, especially when they are getting sick and under the pre-effects of a major illness such as ebola - I'll keep thinking about it!
At least until this is adequately controlled, for you see it is not my life I am worried about but the lives of my 2 children ages 3 and 7 who are in extreme close contact with me daily, given it is summertime. I would be bad enough if I was to get sick being a single mom, but to know I had infected my 2 children with such a disease unknowingly, over such a foolish error, would be devastating to not only me but their father and 2 sets of grandparents, on top of the kids themselves.
So when I see that piece of garbage in the yard the next time I will go in the garage and get my gloves first. Why play russian roulette with the lives of children, even if the chances are 1 in a 1,000,000.

originally posted by: RAY1990

Ebola is very treatable because it doesn't spread too well, it's the lack of simple equipment such as gloves that was/is the problem.


It is spread in similar ways as HIV, as in via bodily secretions or contact with blood.

Misinformation. Let me educate you and maybe people will understand the SIGNIFICANT difference between the ways these two viruses are spread.

HIV infects only a particualr type of cell that has the two receptors needed for attachment. Without that cell receptor attachment, HIV dies readily even free in the bloodstream if not attached quickly.
HIV is killed by the secretions of saliva, and the secretions of sweat, and dies when exposed to air immediately, even with blood left on surfaces. It is only found in mucus or feces if there are open wounds in the nose or...you know.
HIV will not be found on the skin surface, or in a sneeze, and will not be caught when sitting on a toilet seat or handling a doorknob. Otherwise, it would have killed several hundreds of millions, if not billions, at this point, due to its extremely long incubation period.

Ebola infects EVERY cell type in the body. It lives and can be found in high numbers in sweat and saliva and mucus and feces.
Ebola can live for up to 21 days on surfaces and in exposed blood. Ebola will still be alive in that dried spot of blood long, LONG after HIV dies.
Ebola will be present in the handshake; it will be present in the sneeze.
Ebola will live on a sweaty doorknob, and on a toilet seat.
If it were not for the extremely SHORT incubation period of Ebola as compared to HIV, it would already have infected millions at this point and be totally unstoppable.

The fear with this newer strain is that the incubation period has indeed become longer than past outbreaks, from a period of a couple of days to a couple of weeks or longer in some cases, and that is why this outbreak is so much larger than past outbreaks.

I hope that clears up that often-pronounced deadly misconception.
FYI, the media plays on this concept to allay fears about Ebola, and you bought it hook line and sinker.
Media figured that education properly allayed fears about HIV, and don't even bother to redefine 'bodily fluids' in the instance of Ebola. THEY SHOULD.
IT IS WRONG AND A DEADLY LIE.

originally posted by: RAY1990

Personally I see nothing more stupid than the idea of killing people just incase they have Ebola, they clearly have no idea how that virus works. Heck I'm a nobody in no position of power whatsoever and I know the basics of how Ebola is contracted.

Pooh excuse.

A nobody with out the knowledge to be advising anyone about Ebola. It is one of the most easily spread diseases, it is ONLY the short incubation period that made it controllable in the past.

I cannot stop this misinformation from being posted...I can only correct the misguided, and hope they see a light...or not.

originally posted by: RAY1990

Unless the person who once owned that wrapper was so hungry that he dribbled all over it profusely or literally saw the sight of the lovely wrapped bread and decided to make love with it... Your not going to get the disease.

read my previous reply to your last post.

Then make sure you have your facts straight. Mine are correct, yours are wrong, and that is not an opinion.

I would personally fear anything that someone sweated on, dribbled on, or sneezed on. Then again I don't care for staph, flu, and all those nasties either.
think EXTERNAL bodily fluids, and lifespan of 21 days in open air at room temperature (even longer at colder temps).

originally posted by: FalcoFan
a reply to: _BoneZ_

Luckily for ebola,we (the U.S.) have a president that attacks ANY attempt to secure our border.

He may be more favorable to SOS on civilians.

originally posted by: AnteBellum
a reply to: RAY1990

Considering most people do not wash their hands at times after going to the bathroom, especially when they are getting sick and under the pre-effects of a major illness such as ebola - I'll keep thinking about it!

Such truer words have not been spoken, personal hygiene naturally goes somewhat out of the window once your ill. Plus you don't have to be physically ill to be a "carrier" of a disease either. A good chance to breed is all it takes, that being said a virus like Ebola has completely different survival chances compared to the Influenza virus.

At least until this is adequately controlled, for you see it is not my life I am worried about but the lives of my 2 children ages 3 and 7 who are in extreme close contact with me daily, given it is summertime. I would be bad enough if I was to get sick being a single mom, but to know I had infected my 2 children with such a disease unknowingly, over such a foolish error, would be devastating to not only me but their father and 2 sets of grandparents, on top of the kids themselves.
So when I see that piece of garbage in the yard the next time I will go in the garage and get my gloves first. Why play russian roulette with the lives of children, even if the chances are 1 in a 1,000,000.

I totally understand your predicament, it doesn't really matter on the chances of your children getting sick because any chance is a chance too far. But in all honesty you have as much chance of passing HIV on to your children as you do Ebola.

We can have as much trouble with the likes of chicken poxs and the common cold with our children without the doom porn of Ebola, we just need to keep our common sense and constantly remind our kids to keep be hygienic and safe.

a reply to: lakesidepark

I cannot stop this misinformation from being posted...I can only correct the misguided, and hope they see a light...or not.

Then I thank you on correcting me and again thank you on enlightening me.

I wanted to reply to individual parts of your post but for some reason while in this thread I can't copy and post...

Well anyways...

Firstly I haven't been following the news and didn't know this was a more aggressive strain that lives longer, I jumped the gun and came to conclusions based upon what I knew.

Your right about the lifeline of Ebola when it comes to being exposed or being present in an exposed situation... Such as a pool of blood, but Ebola is a disease that is usually localized isn't it?


Plus would I be right in saying that it would be irregardless of how long it lives on a utensil or bedding if commonly applied 20th century medical procedures were taken, considering this is a killer disease outbreak and all?

originally posted by: lakesidepark

originally posted by: RAY1990

Unless the person who once owned that wrapper was so hungry that he dribbled all over it profusely or literally saw the sight of the lovely wrapped bread and decided to make love with it... Your not going to get the disease.

read my previous reply to your last post.

Then make sure you have your facts straight. Mine are correct, yours are wrong, and that is not an opinion.

I would personally fear anything that someone sweated on, dribbled on, or sneezed on. Then again I don't care for staph, flu, and all those nasties either.
think EXTERNAL bodily fluids, and lifespan of 21 days in open air at room temperature (even longer at colder temps).

And consider how RARE Ebola is???

This entire situation seems like the thing they've been preparing us for. I know movies like Outbreak were in fact based on real cases but it's too coincidental. The Strain, 28 Days Later, Survivors (classic BBC show by the way, and it is simply remarkable). And don't forget World War Z. Literally telling us how a virus would devastate the planet and nearly drive us to extinction, that is until the vaccine was "created" and they saved the world.

They can provide for each and every one of us. They can create homes, food, clothing, water, happiness. A world without disease and poverty is for real. We are technically a post-scarcity civilization but we've been entrapped by those keeping the goods for themselves. It's not fair good people have to die when they can be provided for. Children, our brothers and sisters, ourselves.

Realize the day of reckoning against "TPTB" will never come but their control will most certainly evolve to the point that everybody is convinced freedom is bountiful and oppression is a thing of the past.

Sweat,Puke,Excrement, and any other fluids weeping from the body of an Ebola victim (and fluids do weep out all over....)will give you the disease.....
far as I know....

a reply to: RAY1990

Yes, I did. Right now it is still relatively rare.

Like I said...I prefer not to get a lot of other stuff, too. As a traveller I practice what I call 'airport protocol' which is not touching anything I can't kick open, knock on, or bunp off with non-exposed surfaces. Pull my hands up into my sleeves if I have to when I can't kick a door open.

It's still mostly impossible to get away from that stupid idiot on vacation that refuses to cover their crooping cough in the seat next to you on the flight. Can't say how many times I pegged the infector long before I got home and got sick. Sick people coughing should be barred from any flights without forcing them into an isolation suit. (of course that will NEVER happen....). Hell I brought swine flu into my area from a stupid bit** on a plane from McAllen that just insisted on coughing all over the place...and this was two weeks before the CDC informed anyone there was a new flu. My doc still gives me a hard time about spreading it all over the east side of town.

So yes, i watch everything I touch and anyone I get close to.

Not particulary concerned about Ebola right now.

That could change, however, if they don't control it and stop it from major population centers.