Atheism, not religion, is the real force behind the mass murders of history

originally posted by: Badgered1
Mao was a Marxist-Leninist Communist - atheism wasn't the catalyst.

Hitler was a Roman Catholic -
From Wiki, but you get the idea: In a 1928 speech he said: "We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity ... in fact our movement is Christian."

Stalin was a Bolshevk/Communist - atheism wasn't the catalyst.

Pol Pot was a Marxist/Communist - atheism wasn't the catalyst.

Atheism is not a belief system, and has no creed. No agenda. It simply means 'No deities.'
Nobody is propelled to do anything by any kind of atheist agenda.
Atheism is the non-belief in god/s.

This is all Christian apologetic stuff deflecting from the fact that, yes Christianity did cause a lot of deaths.

Yea ok wow. But destroying religion was part of their game plan not simply collateral damage. And Hitler did have very specific reasons for purging the Reich of christians and Jews. Again not collateral damage.

wall street (unnamed internationalist variety) funded the bolshevik revolution, wherein the bolsheviks killed all the people operating the factories. so there's another huge chunk of people killed in the name of........?? what?

a reply to: undo

You could very well be right but remember reading somewhere he was very meticulous in keeping records so perhaps there was an effort to further demonize the demon, perhaps not, and he really killed 50 million. At least we both agree he was as evil as hell itself, must have made his mother proud.

btw love reading you post but most are above my head.

a reply to: ArnoldNonymous

ERR NO !

the poblem with this " argument " is that religious slaughters were carried out by one cult angainst another [ or anyone not of the same cult ] ie - the annabapists of muster , the cathars etc etc etc

there has not been a single masaacre in the name of atheism - all the claimed " examples " are false

hitler is a shining example - who was not even an atheist - look CAREFULLY at every genocide the Nazis perpetrated - none were conducted " for atheism "

same with everyone else on these " lists "

a reply to: Gryphon66

So, all Nazi Historians would tell me that Hitler was neither Christian nor Catholic?

I believe what I said was that they would tell you that he was not a practicing Catholic, and yes, they would tell you that, because he wasn't.

That he respected some aspects of the Catholic church and praised elements of Christianity isn't in dispute, but neither is the fact that he did so because it furthered his own ends, not because he was a practicing Christian.

a reply to: adjensen

You and Klass are spot on.

Hitler's brand of propaganda relied heavily on manipulating people through their religion. On a previous RR show, I discussed how Hitler made a point to paint himself as a good Christian. It worked very well and there were many Germans that refused to believe Hitler was responsible for all of the death and destruction just because they thought Hitler was a man of God.

ETA: Goebbels wrote in his diary about how Hitler hated Christianity because he believed it was to blame for many of the worlds problems. Hitler's goal was to replace all religion with National Socialism.

Yes, many Atheist leaders have killed, so have many Christian, and Muslim, and the list can go on. But it needs to be acknowledged by everyone that it is not religion or Atheism itself that kills. It is simply power and control that drives others whether religious or not to kill.

A leader (religious, or Atheist) will want to wipe out those with differing, opposing views period. Why? control, the more control you give someone the more control they take. Look at our government? all governments...give them an inch they take a mile, repeat, until all power is theirs and the only thing to see is a bunch of sheep in a corral or simply a bunch of dead bodies rotting.

A killer will kill because of the power, the reason we have serial killers choking the life out of others is... power, they feed off of power, the more they get the more they want until they escalate into an abyss of chaos.

Looking though the thread all I really see is a bunch of numbers being thrown from side to side, blame, blame, blame, when all the driving force behind each set of genocide is/was absolute power, not religion, not lack of but an absolute bid for all power by someone who happened to find themselves in a spot of....power over others.

Christians are not inherently evil and neither are Atheists, but, absolute power corrupts absolutely....always

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Hitler hated Christianity because he believed it was to blame for many of the worlds problems. Hitler's goal was to replace all religion with National Socialism.

You can't have religion in socialism? That doesn't make any sense. Religion is a faith belief, socialism is a political/economic theory.

However, power is about control - - you can't have 2 controlling factors. Theocracy is political control by religion.

Atheism has no belief. No dogma to use as power control.

Meh, Hitler probably used Christianity for some publicity. I mean he does have a picture of him holding a flag, with an angel of light behind him. If that doesn't sound christian, idk what does.

Also, Hitler had his top six, which are:
Hebrews, Gypsies, Blacks, Gays, Serbians, and whatever else he didn't like.

Also, when your trying to compare religions these day, it is nothing compared to it blood stoned foundations of the old ages. Where ppl where just looking for excuses to murder someone, whether they didn't like someone, or they scared and superstitious. Hell other times, it just smart people, who could be as smart as any other atheist using idiots for their own leverage.

I'm pretty sure if an Atheist committed mass murder, I'm pretty sure they would have good reason. Which is nvr a good reason, even if does sound like a good reason.

It sad argument to even attempt actually.

originally posted by: xDeadcowx
Hitler was Christian...[/url]

Saying that one is a Christian or even believing that one is Christian does not make it so.

Anyone who believes things such as this has no credibility:

"It is not truth that matters, but victory." ~ Adolf Hitler

Stop believing what people say, and start judging them by their ACTIONS.

Actions speak louder than words, and talk is cheap.

It's high time we stop believing everything the authorities tell us and start thinking for ourselves.

The 50-page transcript of his interrogation, dubbed "The Red Symphony," was not meant to become public. It confirms that the Rothschild-Illuminati planned to use Communism to establish a world dictatorship of the super rich. This is perhaps the most explosive political document in modern history. It reveals why the Illuminati created Hitler and then sought to destroy him, and why Stalin made a pact with Hitler in 1939.

Why the Illuminati Created Hitler

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Hitler hated Christianity because he believed it was to blame for many of the worlds problems. Hitler's goal was to replace all religion with National Socialism.

Atheism has no belief. No dogma to use as power control.

Really? How about "there is no God. God is a myth". That is hopelessly dogmatic.

originally posted by: Logarock

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Hitler hated Christianity because he believed it was to blame for many of the worlds problems. Hitler's goal was to replace all religion with National Socialism.

Atheism has no belief. No dogma to use as power control.

Really? How about "there is no God. God is a myth". That is hopelessly dogmatic.

Again - lack of belief is not a belief.

All Atheists (and religious) are actually Agnostic - - "God can not be proven or dis-proven" (actual meaning of agnostic).

Atheism is not anti-god - - - it is lack of belief.

However - - - an individuals philosophy is just that - - their own philosophy. Atheists are connected by one thing - and one thing only "lack of belief in a god". Beyond that, they are not a "group think" as religious belief is.

What an individual atheists philosophy is - - is his own. Atheism has no belief.

If anything, maybe the theist failed God, and the Gods teaching. And so God sends an Angel of Death destruction with little or no mercy. Smiting believer or un-believer alike.

Srry, I gotta be the jackass.

a reply to: Logarock

How is denying the existence of something that there is no evidence of considered "dogmatic"?

I think that it is insane to kill people because of imaginary beings.

I feel that worshiping ANYTHING is pure lunacy-all of the religions in the world might as well be praying to Spiderman or Captain Crunch for what it's worth.

What "atheist religion" does that put me in?

No such thing as Being Christ like christian and at the same time being good christian.The insanity kooky nonsense that Hitler was a christian is ridiculous stupidty.Also the bible warns those who hate jews and Israel.Do people understand the new testament at all.What is called being born again of love,and peace and the Fruits of the Spirit,something no atheist ever teach.

No mass murderer is ever born again and is a good loving kind christian.Stop being political correct loons.


Again you must love jews and love Israel if your gonna be a christian and Love all mankind as your brother and sister.You aslo must accept Jesus Christ as your Savoir and LOVE all people of all faith.
Immigrants fled the nations of atheism and fanatical evolution to the U.S. and became FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why can't people use common sense?

originally posted by: Jobeycool
What is called being born again of love,and peace and the Fruits of the Spirit, something no atheist ever teach.

And who cares.

I don't need a "belief" to tell me how to behave toward my fellow men.

Idk, Samuel L. Jackson using a religious death sentence, passing judgement. Much like the theist in the dark ages.

It's pretty obvious that Hitler was an anti-theist going back to his teenage years, but it's not really clear whether or not he was an actual atheist as well because of his numerous mentions of an "almighty creator".

So there's only one of two explanations:

A) He was a believer in an almighty creator, but held disdain for organized religion and the powers held by the church (anti-theist).

or

B) He was an anti-theist AND an atheist, but would never admit to being an atheist in public because it would mean political suicide, so instead, he choose to lie through his teeth for pragmatic purposes.


Either one of those explanations could fit Hitler's persona quite nicely... so it's really hard to say which one is closer to the actual truth.


But regardless, his genocide war had nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with nationalistic supremacism.

a reply to: Annee

What I am saying is that Hitler was trying to make National Socialism, the ideals of and belief in the party, the "religion" of Nazi Germany.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: ArnoldNonymous

The core point you failed to point out is Religious slaughter is actively FOR the benefit of the RELIGION.

Atheists slaughtering people does not have anything to do with religion, nor is it for the benefit of Atheism.

The only thing you can say is religion has driven and is driving mass human death and suffering.
Atheism has failed to stop countless more deaths and prevent suffering.

Religions dont kill people, people do.