Top Secret Drug Saved Ebola Doctor's lives

originally posted by: Vdogg
a reply to: AlphaHawk

So proprietary may be a better word than what CNN used. The issue remains the same however. We have an experimental treatment that shows promise that it appears that the NIH, in concert with Mapp bio pharmaceutical, withheld until the time that 2 Americans were infected. This wasn't even offered as a possibility a little more than a week ago. Everyone was saying there is no cure/vaccine/etc. One question though, If this is not a cure then what do we call it if these two doctors make a full recovery?

We would call it hopeful for a cure.

As for who to give it to, that's problematic. When you have an untried treatment that could be potentially deadly is it ethical to give it to someone who does not understand what it is and why it may or may not work and why it was risky or do you give it on two volunteers who have enough knowledge to give fully informed consent?

a reply to: NavyDoc

If this serum is real is very promising.

a reply to: BobAthome

bahhh more western quackery i tells ya,,,

Thermal cameras or "imaging devices" detect differing levels of heat generated by the body.

The cameras software could be set to only detect above a certain temp. Since that is normally 98.6, people with higher temps eyes would be lit up like stars.

Unless they are wearing shades or walk backwards.

No side effects of the antibodies were observed in the surviving animals.

It's safe so far.

MB-003 was developed through a decade-long collaborative effort between private industry and the U.S. government, with funding from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA).

Big alphabet agencies

“Our facility can produce these proteins in two weeks at a substantial reduction in cost to other production methods,” said Bratcher. “This advanced method of manufacturing allows us to address needs quickly and inexpensively.”

It will be cheap for the masses

According to Zeitlin, the next step in the drug development process would be to more extensively test the safety of the antibodies in animals. Once that is established, the safety of the antibodies would need to be assessed in human volunteers. Ultimately, a large efficacy study in non-human primates and a larger safety study in humans would be required for Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensure of the product.

But not so fast, the red tape means likely decades before it is common use.

Source

1) Monsanto and the DOD are also providing funding for some type of Ebola "treatment" now.

2) Vaccine stocks have gone up 50% since this "scare".

3) It is stated right in vaccine inserts that the vaccine may not offer the protection that is hoped for....hyped about. Not everyone gets a guarantee of protection. Some vaccines even contain monkey "products". Aren't monkeys part of the Ebola process as well as fruit bats. There are many strains and Ebola like illnesses...vaccine for which/what....Ebola, Sudan type, Reston, Marburg, Crimea, Zaire, Lassa....what vaccine for what? This entire Ebola business seems highly suspect. Too much happening too soon.

4) Feds watching plane passengers for symptoms, yet open borders with even Africans crossing after learning limited Spanish, (gun runners and/or drug runners). Not just Mexicans or South Americans crossing. Hmmm.

5) The Ebola is a real disease and it may be spreading as is being reported. Yet, one cannot wonder if there is an agenda going on...something more to it all than we would think at first glance.

6) As far as I know, there has been little done by way of "treatment" for the unfortunate souls that contract Ebola in Africa throughout the years...now, all of a sudden, all this new and improved news of "hope" and treatments and such. Gives one pause for thought. I guess the folks in Africa were not as important relevant to "some ones list" of priorities.

Another concern relevant to Ebola possible "treatments"/vaccines. With all the kids here gearing up for school and being loaded up with the usual vaccines and their systems are already working with all that they have been loaded up with....imagine having an extra "burden" put on their systems with some kind of treatment/vaccine yet? Ebola "likes" hot, humid climate...we are all in the middle of summer here now...more to wonder about.

No one has stated that this is where this Ebola scare dealy is going but who knows...it is entirely within the realm of possibility that we will all be told of treatments and not just "encouraged" to take them. Could this scenario grow big enough that Martial Law would be declared....for pandemic/epidemic reasons or whatever. What will transpire than and what will be our choices, if any. I hope those folks that were brought here recover and this entire situation burns itself out but who knows. Will see.

If the Ebola threat here is real/becomes real, of course many folks would like to be "saved" and I can't blame them...it is a horrible disease. If and when it comes to that, lets hope if a cure is offered, it helps and saves the day but still...cures for such diseases usually take a long time and research...if experimental treatment turns out to be the only option...scary in and of itself. Would be one heck of a choice to have to make if we were allowed a choice.

This serum was only in the pre-clinical phase of development, so it is highly experimental and has a long way to go before release. Treatments that are effective on animals aren't generally effective on humans and all sorts of different side-effects come out of clinical trials, so it takes a desperate situation for the FDA to allow something like this to be used. This is a desperate situation.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: rickymouse
I guess there is a sales pitch going on here. I wonder how much that drug is going to set people back if they need it?

It's not a drug. It is an experimental serum derived from the infected that survived.

The technique is always the same. We use different mammals, preferentially primates, to obtain the serum and create new vaccines. Sometimes it works but many times it doesn't.

a reply to: Vdogg

Where and when was this confirmed? ...The original story is that there was ONE vial and it went to Whitebol(?) - Brantly was supposedl given serum from a local boy who has recovered. ....But all the stories seem made-up.

a reply to: soficrow

Here is a follow up article with a bit more detail.

www.cnn.com...

Dr. Kent Brantly was given the medication, ZMapp, shortly after telling his doctors he thought he would die, according to a source familiar with his case. Within an hour, doctors say his symptoms -- labored breathing and a widespread rash -- dramatically improved. Nancy Writebol, another missionary working with Samaritan's Purse, received two doses of the medication and has also shown significant improvement, sources say. As there is no proven treatment and no vaccine for Ebola, this experimental drug is raising lots of questions. Who makes the drug? Why isn't there an Ebola vaccine? The drug was developed by the biotech firm Mapp Biopharmaceutical Inc., which is based in San Diego. The company was founded in 2003 "to develop novel pharmaceuticals for the prevention and treatment of infectious diseases, focusing on unmet needs in global health and biodefense," according to its website. Mapp Biopharmaceutical has been working with the National Institutes of Health and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, an arm of the military responsible for weapons of mass destruction, to develop an Ebola treatment for several years. Are there other experimental Ebola drugs out there? Yes. In March, the NIH awarded a five-year $28 million grant to establish a collaboration between researchers from 15 institutions who were working to fight Ebola. "A whole menu of antibodies have been identified as potentially therapeutic, and researchers are eager to figure out which combinations are most effective and why," a news release about the grant said. Tekmira, a Vancouver-based company that has a $140 million contract with the U.S. Department of Defense to develop an Ebola drug, began Phase 1 trials with its drug in January. But the FDA recently halted the trial, asking for more information.

Another thing...first, we are told by "health experts" that this Ebola problem is transmitted through bodily fluids...then CDC issues a statement saying "airborne"...which is it....considering that the strain of Ebola hasn't even been named/identified yet....seems no one can get their story/info straight. Does anybody know anything for sure about anything...just wingin it or what. Such a serious problem and yet nothing is adding up. Gotta wonder.

a reply to: Vdogg

It seems like cure or steps to a cure were found in 2010.

genome.fieldofscience.com...

a reply to: Vdogg

Check this out:

Ebola, the ZMapp Serum, and the Changing Dr. Brantley Story

a reply to: Vdogg

It's not Top Secret. It's in most news outlets now. CNN is just behind
I posted a thread about what I found. It's Tobacco!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It was tested on monkeys first. The military tested it first, of course

a reply to: shrevegal

It has been named, it's Zaire, been known for ages what the strain is.

And as for the CDC statement I believe they meant air travel, in the past ebola outbreaks occurred in small isolated communities, this one is close to cities, therefore air travel becomes a factor.

A secret antivirus called Zmapp? This is how %68 of zombie movies start. Sad that so many Africans are dying. Doesn't seem right that they get to try this drug.

a reply to: Vdogg

After it's proven that the vaccine works on the two Americans, Mapp Bio. will stand to make a few billion $ at 1,000 $/shot here in the USA. They know they can't make any money from any west African countries, therefore hundreds of Africans are expendable. Ah, I long for the days of Jonas Salk, who gave his vaccine for polio without the thought of making money or big pharma getting involved. This is why they'll never trot oui the cure for cancer publicly, although it's been cured in a lab. No money to be made. They make big bucks on chemo drugs.

a reply to: JackSparrow17
This made me chuckle Jack,.
The "Z" part flew right over my head. You're right. The name of the serum could have been used in a bad zombie film.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
a reply to: Vdogg

After it's proven that the vaccine works on the two Americans, Mapp Bio. will stand to make a few billion $ at 1,000 $/shot here in the USA. They know they can't make any money from any west African countries, therefore hundreds of Africans are expendable. Ah, I long for the days of Jonas Salk, who gave his vaccine for polio without the thought of making money or big pharma getting involved. This is why they'll never trot oui the cure for cancer publicly, although it's been cured in a lab. No money to be made. They make big bucks on chemo drugs.

It's not a vaccine.

There is no market for ebola vaccine in the US anyway.

Wow the cure is in a tobacco plant?

Does this mean we will see a return of the Smoking Doctor Adds?