originally posted by: RomaSempre
Settle in a land that was not originally their own? Check.
This was essential after World War Two, since despite the out and out PUNKING that the allied nations gave the Nazis, there was still a vast amount of
hatred being aimed at Jews throughout Europe. This situation made it necessary and desirable for the Jewish people to have a place of their own, since
there was no where at the time, that they could go where they would be able to rely on their safety, and I think the general feeling at the time (with
which I agree) was that the Jews had suffered enough, and deserved a place to call their own, somewhere they could not be removed from, or oppressed
Historically speaking, there is therefore a great difference between the speed and necessity of the creation of the Israeli state, and the exodus to
the Americas on the part of those who colonised what is now the USA.
Create a Government or Sovereign State there? Check.
Displace the indigenous population? Check.
This is perhaps one of the most unfortunate things about the Israeli situation. It is horrific to think that a people, who had been the focus of a
hate campaign in a tyrannical dictatorship, could then take up that same banner of hatred and segregation, and remove people from their homes, their
land, take their lives or banish them utterly.
Use force to expand it's borders? Check.
Extending their territory as they have in the region over the years, has been one of the biggest red flags one could ever hope to see, that all is not
well with the Israeli leadership. This illegitimate expansion has never been properly addressed by the UN, nor have any of the other utterly
reprehensible things that Israels government has been responsible for.
Of course the initial situation differs in that israel was granted the land after WW2 while America was part of the British Colonies but other than
that they're following our blueprint.
So given that, how can anyone who lives in our country condemn Israel for doing essentially what we did to establish our borders?
Mods, feel free to move if this is in the wrong forum. Feel free to delete if things get out of hand. I know this is a touchy subject.
The thing to remember here, is that there is a large difference between Israel, a nation full of different people, who have differing views from one
another on matters pertaining to Palestine and Gaza, and Israel's government itself. Its GOVERNMENT have received an awful lot of condemnation over
the last little while, and on previous occasions also, and all of it richly deserved. And this too is an echo of the US. The United States of America
has people like the members here living in it, people who knew that the War on Terror was a clusterbang, and based on a serious load of horsecrap,
specifically with regard to the Iraq theatre. Its government however, are a bunch of total bastards, that most of the world would not urinate upon, in
order to extinguish them in the event of a case of spontaneous human combustion.
It is what the nations government does, which interests people however, because it is much easier to quantify, than the true breadth and scale of a
nations opinion on a matter. The actions of governments make better soundbytes, better news, than the fact that a nations people are rarely united in
purpose when something like this is in the offing, despite biased polls to the contrary.
Another thing that rather throws a spanner in the works of the comparison between the USA and its creation, and the creation of the state of Israel,
is the period in history in which these things occurred. The actions of those who carved the modern day United States of America from the bones and
blood of its natives, were by modern standards, the actions of barbarians. Ignorant of the value of the lives they were taking, of the unquestionable
FACT that we know today, that all human beings are born equal, and that indeed, the natives were as human as they were.
The powers which continue to oppress the region around Israel however, are more than aware of the scientific fact that they, and their neighbours are
more similar, than they are different. They know better. That, in my mind at least, makes their outrageous behaviour utterly unacceptable.
on 31-7-2014 by TrueBrit because: Grammatical correction and alteration.