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don't worry as an interested layman over time i confuse things i have read or know too. or conflate two different articles or concepts.
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Doh! I knew that. Sorry, reverse the entropy directions I indicated. I did have it backwards...such a dufus mistake!
Thanks for catching that...is my face red? lol
well you know...according to present theories of the big bang and associated cosmology the energy that coalesced in the matter in the present universe resulted from a collapse in the vacuum potential from a higher energy state to a lower but more stable energy state. well if the black hole is indeed full of negative energy then the vacuum state (it seems to me) would be a higher one than outside it. which means that when one of these thing goes into white hole mode it might result in more energy and matter going out than was collected by it in it's life time. hence it could renew the energy matter or entropy state to cosmically beyond what it would be with just the matter it took in. another big bang.
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Yes, I agree...providing the renewing of entropy (increase) as a result of the life cycle of black holes achieves an equilibrium. Also, provided the white hole, or where the matter is spewed is in this universe and is not some quantum type creation of new universes. That too would provide for an eternity, just a constant creation of new universes.
i answered earlier. its as apt as any metaphor is. all metaphors are imperfect. yet we use them none the less as they aid understanding. it IS a science forum but not everyone understands the same well used metaphors where an unusual one might reach someone whose mind is constituted a different way.
originally posted by: soficrow
a reply to: stormbringer1701
'Cuz this is a science and technology forum - but do you think it's a good (and appropriate) metaphor?
ETA:
The "gestational place-time" was an alternate universe.
actually there is. As of about a decade ago the most accurate map of the distribution of matter and energy of the universe was made. the cosmos was shown to be extraordinarily flat which means its not a torus or a saddle but flat and most likely infinite and will go on expanding forever.
originally posted by: MarsIsRed
This makes no sense. If the universe is infinite, a trillion trillion black hole/universes would contain a trillion trillion times less energy than our current universe, meaning they're essentially dead!
There's no observation to indicate that this is true.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
actually there is. As of about a decade ago the most accurate map of the distribution of matter and energy of the universe was made. the cosmos was shown to be extraordinarily flat which means its not a torus or a saddle but flat and most likely infinite and will go on expanding forever.
originally posted by: MarsIsRed
This makes no sense. If the universe is infinite, a trillion trillion black hole/universes would contain a trillion trillion times less energy than our current universe, meaning they're essentially dead!
There's no observation to indicate that this is true.
originally posted by: wildespace
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
actually there is. As of about a decade ago the most accurate map of the distribution of matter and energy of the universe was made. the cosmos was shown to be extraordinarily flat which means its not a torus or a saddle but flat and most likely infinite and will go on expanding forever.
originally posted by: MarsIsRed
This makes no sense. If the universe is infinite, a trillion trillion black hole/universes would contain a trillion trillion times less energy than our current universe, meaning they're essentially dead!
There's no observation to indicate that this is true.
What does "flat" mean, in terms of 3-dimensional space?