Syria death toll surpasses 170,000

The death toll in Syria's three-year war has eclipsed 170,000 people, one-third of them civilians, a monitoring group says in a new toll.
"Ever since the first casualty of the Syrian revolution was registered on March 18, 2011 in Daraa province, the deaths of 171,509 people have been documented," said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights in a report released on Thursday. Among the dead were 56,495 civilians, including 9,092 children, according to the toll, which included casualties documented up to July 8 this year.

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Jordan, where the Central Intelligence Agency has been covertly training Syrian rebels for more than a year, is reluctant to host an expanded program in what is likely to be a significant step back for Barack Obama. In June, the US president proposed a $500 million (£300m) initiative to train and arm moderate rebels fighting the government of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and al-Qaeda-linked groups. It could signal a larger challenge in finding suitable nations willing to host the training at a time of heightened tensions across much of the Middle East. While US intelligence has not made a formal request to the Jordanian government, the country was widely considered a leading choice to host the training due to its close security relationship with Washington, proximity to Syria and pool of more than 600,000 Syrian refugees. The “Jordan fears Syrian backlash over CIA plan” headlined report said: “US analysts believe that Jordan, led by Abdullah II, who was raised in the UK, educated at Oxford and served in the British Army, fears retaliation from Syria if its territory is used for CIA training".

The US has already increased its military presence in Jordan to around 1,300 soldiers.

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what did they actually say, what is the official line - why are they supporting "rebels" AKA as warlords, criminals, extremists, thugs?

and is that for what they're supporting them officially worth lives of hundreds of thousands and A LOT more refugees and wounded...?

???

a reply to: demus

I am sure of one thing, if the bodies of the all the dead children from Iraq (500,000+) and Syria (9,000+) were placed on the lawns of the white house the american people would rise as one against the slaughter. Media demonizes the people being slaughtered.

I don't mean to sound...dumb, but are the killers by chance the Syrian rebels/"freedom fighters"? I didn't even know that was still going on, I mean I knew there was trouble but not to this extent Same deal as in Gaza then, it's the poor families who loose their children/parents/siblings etc. and they're the ones that pay the ultimate price at the end of the day...ugh what the f*ck is this world coming too?

In addition: Just chucking in a few articles where ISIS have not only killed Syrian rebels but Syrian soldiers too, does anyone know why they do that? Do they just see everyone who isn't sunni as an enemy?

ISIS Kills 50 Syrian Soldiers, Beheads Many In Raqqa

Military & Defense More: Isis Syria Agence France Presse Rebels ISIS Is Sneaking Onto Syrian Rebel Bases And ‘Killing Fighters In Their Sleep’

ISIS executes three Syrian rebel officers

a reply to: conz1992

ISIS is the army trained by US/NATO to destroy the sovereignty of Muslim states.

a reply to: glend

Only 56,000 out of 170,000 are civilian casualties? I find that hard to believe... I feel the figures would be close to something like 120,000 or even higher taking into consideration the rebels were slaughtering civilians at the beginning and have likely been doing the same over the last 3 years.

a reply to: glend

Yeah I know, they're an off shoot of Al-Queda*, I think they were just too violent and militant so they disbanded them. Can you believe the media is now calling them ISIL? They've actually allowed them to create a caliphate and it's
completely obvious they have been and are recieving outside aid....

yeah the same guys that our media showed beheading people and supposedly shooting many soldiers and civilians...Just seems all too familiar to me

*note: I know Al-Queda was created by the US, and trained and funded by the CIA.

It's sad that civilians are dying, it really is. But the Middle East is one of the many things that is wrong with this planet. Religion, religion, RELIGION!!!

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: conz1992

ISIS is the army trained by US/NATO to destroy the sovereignty of Muslim states.

thank you, you should get some kind of award for summarizing what ISIS is in clear and precise fashion.

I quote:

ISIS is the army trained by US/NATO to destroy the sovereignty of Muslim states.

also could be good thread and thread title...

a reply to: conz1992

They had to killed off Al-Queda because it was too dangerous to be seen funding the same group responsible for 9/11 so they re-badged it ISIS. If you take a broader look, the plan is to control the worlds energy so west can remain dominant over China.

Ex-General Wesley Clarke was told in 2001 that they plan to take out Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and ending in Iran. Russia/China has already warned the US that any attack on Iran will result in WW3.

Hostilities by US/NATO against sovereign countries has been increasing over the years, gathering greater and greater force. WW3 seems inevitable.

a reply to: demus

The title doesn't matter demus, a poem called First they came explains human nature...
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Sadly the great many people in the west will only wake up when its too late.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: demus

I am sure of one thing, if the bodies of the all the dead children from Iraq (500,000+) and Syria (9,000+) were placed on the lawns of the white house the american people would rise as one against the slaughter. Media demonizes the people being slaughtered.

But they're the bad guys!
/sarcasm

If the American people could even begin to fathom what their gov has done to other people..
Well.. They'd definitely revolt!

At least I hope so..

originally posted by: conz1992
I don't mean to sound...dumb, but are the killers by chance the Syrian rebels/"freedom fighters"? I didn't even know that was still going on, I mean I knew there was trouble but not to this extent

Same deal as in Gaza then, it's the poor families who loose their children/parents/siblings etc. and they're the ones that pay the ultimate price at the end of the day...ugh what the f*ck is this world coming too?

In addition: Just chucking in a few articles where ISIS have not only killed Syrian rebels but Syrian soldiers too, does anyone know why they do that? Do they just see everyone who isn't sunni as an enemy?

ISIS Kills 50 Syrian Soldiers, Beheads Many In Raqqa

Military & Defense More: Isis Syria Agence France Presse Rebels ISIS Is Sneaking Onto Syrian Rebel Bases And ‘Killing Fighters In Their Sleep’

ISIS executes three Syrian rebel officers

Simple answer yes any one who isnt sunni is an enemy. They destroy any other religious icons and kill anyone who isnt Muslim. They were started by Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.these guys actually scared Al Quida who said they were to radical. In fact killed many of them as well for control. they were created by Saudi Arabia mostly to take out the Shia especially Iran. Its no coincidence there trying to take over Iraq because Iran is next and probably Syria as well. The turmoil in Syria is one of the reasons they are gaining power since it gives them a prime area to recruit people. This is also the reason Jordan doesnt want to get involved there afraid these radicals will enter into Jordan and of course overthrow the government to create there caliphate.Now since you dont seem to be aware ill say dont buy into rumors on Syria its a civil war only to the extent its a fight between Shia and Sunni. Manyy more countries will be involved before this is over.

originally posted by: RexPlex
It's sad that civilians are dying, it really is. But the Middle East is one of the many things that is wrong with this planet. Religion, religion, RELIGION!!!

An individuals personal beliefs are what make up human nature.

To an extreme, it can result in misguided thoughts, of course. But to generalize all religious fanatics as the worlds only problem.. And then to group all other people that adhere to that religion as an extension of that problem..

That is the reason we will always be divided. It's a rigged game. One side is right until they're not.

originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: RexPlex
It's sad that civilians are dying, it really is. But the Middle East is one of the many things that is wrong with this planet. Religion, religion, RELIGION!!!

An individuals personal beliefs are what make up human nature.

To an extreme, it can result in misguided thoughts, of course. But to generalize all religious fanatics as the worlds only problem.. And then to group all other people that adhere to that religion as an extension of that problem..

That is the reason we will always be divided. It's a rigged game. One side is right until they're not.

Its not a game there goal is simple they believe Islam is destined to take over the world like Mohammad said and they believe there version is the only correct version. Thats why they attack other mosques and destroy religious sites.Us gets first shot at them with Iraq if they fail it will be Russians turn with Iran. But sooner or later this will involve every country including China and India.

a reply to: demus

Mostly has to do with an agreement over pipelines
and a Caliphate.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: RexPlex
It's sad that civilians are dying, it really is. But the Middle East is one of the many things that is wrong with this planet. Religion, religion, RELIGION!!!

An individuals personal beliefs are what make up human nature.

To an extreme, it can result in misguided thoughts, of course. But to generalize all religious fanatics as the worlds only problem.. And then to group all other people that adhere to that religion as an extension of that problem..

That is the reason we will always be divided. It's a rigged game. One side is right until they're not.

Its not a game there goal is simple they believe Islam is destined to take over the world like Mohammad said and they believe there version is the only correct version. Thats why they attack other mosques and destroy religious sites.Us gets first shot at them with Iraq if they fail it will be Russians turn with Iran. But sooner or later this will involve every country including China and India.

Do you see the irony?

What do you mean by "they" hopefully not all religious people..
(Because that was what I was talking about)

a reply to: glend

WW3 has been underway for quite some time now.
It is World War 4 that no one is planning for,
nor paying attention to.

You will hear this sound often if Diplomacy fails :

www.youtube.com...

OMG forgive us all for sitting on our asses and doing nothing to stop these murderers.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: conz1992

ISIS is the army trained by US/NATO to destroy the sovereignty of Muslim states.

ISIS is the army trained by US/NATO to topple Shiite Muslim regional Governments, such as Assad's Syrian Government, and the elected Maliki Government of Iraq (Maliki has done nothing to slow disapproval by the United States Government, their financial & military backer[s] whom .. are displeased with years of no progress). Let's not even discuss that the entire so-called Democratic system in place currently in Baghdad was birthed by.. the U.S occupation that had occurred. Another product of the ISIS situation is intimidation of Iran, especially its' foreign policy.

Just my opinion..
Maybe even Israel is helping them, as the U.S., Israel, and Saudi Arabia have supported the same groups and policies in the region in the past. I know they talk a big game (ISIS), about conquering this and that, but it remains to be seen if it's just that, talk.