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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Basically, Liberals support the thought of our founding fathers. Freedom for all. Ideological tolerance. Embracing your fellow man as a brother, regardless of his/her beliefs.
I have come to see that conservatives support America as well. They support the new America. Capitolism. Social acceptance of similar political views. Eliminating threats before they become threats. Acceptance of a mix of church and state.
Originally posted by LostSailor
and dependence on the government.( I.E. excessive taxation and enormous beaurocratic social programs)
Liberals are the only ones that hold these beliefs about embracing your fellow man as a brother? Thats just not true at all.
No.. not the new America... The America before Democrats changed it.
Originally posted by Kidfinger
We BOTH support America, we just do it with our own beliefs and moral values. I think that at this point in our history, we cannot afford another war. IMO, we must seek peacful means of setteling our differences.[edit on 12/3/04 by Kidfinger]
Originally posted by dgtempe
Liberals are the ones with any respect for the United States and the only ones with respect for the constitution. I am proud to be an American Liberal and hope to one day get our country back into some semblance of peace and honor.
Originally posted by marg6043
I care less what any body has to said, with some of the comments against liberals in this boards you can tell they will do excellent in under Bush dictatorship.
Originally posted by Kidfinger
These 'comments' are what made me start this thread. In particular, Thomas Crowns Offensive Avatar. I'm about to make some modifications to my own
[edit on 12/3/04 by Kidfinger]
Originally posted by Otts
Are Conservatives saying that to be a true American, you have to be one of them? Because Lostsailor said that those Liberals who, in his mind, don't hate America are "those who don't understand what liberalism is". That amounts to saying "they're good Americans who are simply misguided. Those who really know what liberalism is are un-American."
Originally posted by Dgtempe
Liberals are the ones with any respect for the United States and the only ones with respect for the constitution. I am proud to be an American Liberal and hope to one day get our country back into some semblance of peace and honor.
Originally posted by Kidfinger
I have made this distinction in other threads before, and I guess Im goin to have to make it agian. Liberals are Patriots. Conservitaves are Nationalist. Now, sinse some people dont know the difference, I will explaine it. A nationalist believes in the government. They support the government with blind abandon, with no care if the gov is right or wrong. Its thier government, therefor it MUST be right, and all others should be converted. (That last part is my interpratation of how most conservatives are on this board) A Patriot is a person who loves thier country, NOT the government. A patriotis willing to change the government if it is not providing a good quality of life for the citizens of the country. Do you understand now Lost Sailor?
Originally posted by BrewCrew82
Kidfinger, as a patriot, you believe you are not getting a quality life in America...? What about your life in America is bothering you?
While Bush may not be the most elequent speaker I have ever heard, one must be extremely intelligent to gain the presidency.
As much as I disliked Clinton he was and still is a very brilliant man.
These kind of things are what annoy me about Liberals, they say they are open and tolerant of everyone. Well everyone only means if you support their beliefs.
If you do not you are a redneck, backwards thinking individual who needs to "wake up" and quit using those around you who are less fortunate.
Also if one has money and doesn't agree with them it is because one is racist, selfish, and would love to see everyone without means die.
Once again, I know this is not all liberals, but the majority of one I have ran into in my life have thought this way.
I have been called a racist numerous times without saying anything racially provactive. I have been called a redneck, for doing things in the privacy of my life such as hunting, and I have been called an idiot for believeing that the word God can be applied to judaism, christianity, and muslim.
I guess my point is how can liberals claim to be tolerant of everyone when they simply are not.
Originally posted by LostSailor
No I understood you the first time... But you have it flipped around backwards!!!
Libs are for bigger gov.
mor gov.
dependancy on the gov. etc.
Conservatives are for less government,
tax breaks,
less dependancy on the governmet.... etc.
Originally posted by LostSailor
Libs are for bigger gov. mor gov. dependancy on the gov. etc. Conservatives are for less government, tax breaks, less dependancy on the governmet.... etc.