Israel admits HAMAS didn't kidnap the 3 Israeli teens after all

I'd say I would look at the background of Sheera FRENKEL. After a quick check of different blogs, I'm not sure I would place much faith in her stories...kind of like Christiania AMANPOUR and Sam DONALDSON. Say just enough truth to stay employed...

nprcheck.blogspot.com/2011/03/so-just-who-is-sheera-frenkel.html
honestreporting.com/tag/sheera-frenkel
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (blog)
blog.camera.or
mondoweiss.net/.../npr-doesnt-need-to-quote-palestinians-be

originally posted by: PleiaDsClusterDck

originally posted by: Humanity72

originally posted by: DigitalJesusWuang

originally posted by: Humanity72
The only reason nuclear weapons aren't used are the effects of radiation and what happened in Japan. If someone had the Ark and had figured out how to harness it's power there is no way it wouldn't have been used. Just think about it all that firepower with no radiation it would be the perfect weapon.

I suspect you're right and the power of the Ark is many times more horrible than nuclear weapons, which have been used and continue to terrorize us to the very day. The Ark is too powerful and it's only our collective ignorance of who may possess it and where which gives us comfort.

Thus I do not think it is on earth but that does not mean it couldn't return at some point.

It's been seen by reliable witnesses and I believe it's been seized from its location and moved under the control of some powerful nation.

I find it personally upsetting that with the goodness that it contains (the tablets of G*d's Commandments), Aaron's Rod and manna, that someone is consciously hiding it for nefarious purposes, or- at best, to maintain some kind of balance of power. Even the Hebrews did not use the thing for war, once their land was restored them. Perhaps this was a bit of a mistake, but they instead kept it in an exalted room in The Temple.

I think the Russians actually have Aaron's Rod I think I remember something about Hitler having it in his possession and when the Russians took out his last stand they confiscated everything they found including Aaron's Rod.

Good luck finding a Jewish High Priest in Russia though they were trying to run Jews out of Ukraine like it was holocaust week.

I'm sure Mikhail Khodorkovsky (Jewish) could locate one if Putin loosens his leash far enough. Aarons Rod was lost in the Stalingrad Siege. The Russian Winter takes all from invaders.

The more I think about the more it makes sense the Russians are behind this I mean they are making a mint in Syria and Iran selling arms and are looking to replace us as Egypt's main benefactor. Not to mention this draws all the attention away from Ukraine while they complete their invasion. Those SOBs are brilliant at making us look like ass hats while they clean up.

a reply to: ozwest

They wont, but they have a better "claim" on it than the Palestinians.

Whether you agree or not: The indians lost their lands. The Palestinians (depending on your viewpoint) either lost their lands or never possessed it to begin with.

Palestine has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including the Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Philistines, Tjekker, Ancient Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, early Muslims (Umayads, Abbasids, Seljuqs, Fatimids), Crusaders, later Muslims (Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans), the British, The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (1948–1967, on the "West Bank") and Egyptian Republic (in Gaza), and modern Israelis and Palestinians. Other terms for the same area include Canaan, Zion, the Land of Israel, Southern Syria, Jund Filastin, Outremer, the Holy Land and the Southern Levant.

The fact is, unless they take the land back by conquest, or the Jews decide to move to Disneyland, they had better get used to sharing the land. Same goes for the Israelis, since I doubt the Palestinians are moving to Disneyland either.

Just as the fact is that the Indians will never possess the lands of the US ever again. Fair is a concept created by man. It does not exist in nature. Seldom does it exist in real life. There is an evolutionary process going on in the lands of Palestine/Israel. More or less a cultural survival of the fittest and we all know who is losing.

So...either someone comes to the conclusion that the land will have to be shared (Hamas) and get off their ignorant charter of "ejecting" or "destroying" the Jews or they will suffer the evolutionary process.

originally posted by: haarvik
I was just thinking about this! I had it in my mind that they will do anything to stop the Palestinians, including inventing this reason to attack. Besides, even if they did, I don't think it justifies the brutal attacks. They have turned into a bully nation just like ours! Monkey see, monkey do.

Indeed. The Israelis imagined the incoming rockets as their excuse to attack. Hamas rejected the first 2 ceasefire offers. Hamas must be intent on the destruction of the Palestinian people. Hamas and Israel working in cahoots...whooda thunk it?

a reply to: Humanity72

Funny thing is, the Arab nations do not support the Palestinians. They barely send aid to them. The amount of aid sent to Palestine from ALL the Arab nations combined barely equals Norway's contribution.

Heck, a significant number of the present population of Palestinians are actually refugees from other Arab nations.

Add to that the Palestinian people, per capita, receive more aid than any other group of people, any other country in the world (yes, that includes Israel).

Yeah...it was the UN that sanctioned that.

So..just ignore all the atrocities committed by Hamas and other Palestinians. Ignore the perception of Israel, regarding their feeling of a lack of security when there is a constant and never ending barrage of suicide bombers, missile launchings, tunnel digging, kidnapping.

Just focus on what Israel does. The motto here is deny ignorance, not embrace it. Until you can actually, with some portion of objectivity, look at what both sides are doing you are nothing more than a closed minded fanatic.

originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: bbracken677

Palestinians have not ruled themselves in Palestine, ever. Their current situation is the closest to self-rule they have ever experienced. Prior to that it has just changed hands from one conqueror to another.

This is just propagandistic nonsense.
They just were never given complete sovereignty.
Israel is a client state because they are dependent on their existence from handouts from other countries.
Their benefactors control the final decision on what they do.
They are no more independent than Palestine was under the various empires over past times.

Israel is a client state. Palestine is not a state.

You claim it is propagandist nonsense, however it is fact. Disprove the fact and it will become propaganda. Propaganda by it's very nature and definition cannot be entirely factual. Prove me wrong.

originally posted by: bbracken677
Israel is a client state. Palestine is not a state.

You claim it is propagandist nonsense, however it is fact. Disprove the fact and it will become propaganda. Propaganda by it's very nature and definition cannot be entirely factual. Prove me wrong.

I agree with this. The key to consider here is, the client state of whom? The Israelis are clearly working for the United States or those with heavy US interests. The Palestinians (Arabs), are in the service of more shadowy eastern European masters, with some kind of Russian presence.

What the Israelis and Palestinians do in exchange for the patronage of superpowers is unclear, but clearly it has something to do with obtaining mystical items items lost, perhaps deliberately hidden, in the Holy Lands. I know of the treasures by their legend, but I hope whatever experts the various are employing treat them with reverence and respect. These are forces are dangerous and not to be meddled with.

Does anyone else think that Raiders of the Lost Ark was trying to tell us something?

a reply to: bbracken677

Palestine is not a state.
Prove me wrong.

Earlier you were saying that is wasn't until now.

The State of Palestine is a sovereign state in the Levant that is recognized by the United Nations.
en.wikipedia.org...

That is according to the UN, but Gaza is really an open air prison maintained by the Israelis.
Arguably, so is the West Bank.
This twisted logic you are using is propagandistic regardless of what may or may not be "factual".
You seem to be caught up in a delusion that you are making sense, in the effort to maintain a position that is untenable by ordinary logic.

a reply to: bbracken677

I would say a D-evolutionary project is going on.

At what point do you not see that the both of them are going to have to forget who they think they are, and why they have claims about gods and bloodlines, but they both never actually try to PROVE IT.

I postulate we are watching the death knells of both religions, maybe that is the evolution you speak of, they just both do not know it yet.

But we will REMIND THEM, the ones of us who are capable of reaching them.

Radical fundamentalist Muslim kids are taught early on to die for their cause. - Check -
Radical fundamentalist Moms throw their children in front military convoys just to get the vehicles to stop and the ambush begins. - Check -
Radical fundamentalist Dads are known to "honor kill" their own kids when they become too "westernized". - Check -

If they have have no respect for life and are always ready willing to die for their cause, why do the sympathizers get bent out of shape when they are accommodated?

So I was just watching Fox news today to catch up on my propaganda and I see this senator get on and say "the Israelis need to shut down the hamas tunnels because that's what they used to abduct the 3 Israeli kids and murder them" along with blah blah...but I caught that snip and I knew this guy as a senator knows nothing but the bull# he spews for his campaign $. I wanted to reach in and slap him at that moment.

a reply to: jmdewey60

Not relying on wikipedia for factual information would be a good idea, bud. Colleges will not accept Wikipedia references for a reason.

Palestine is not a state

CBS Palestine is not a state

Bottom line is that the UN action does not grant Palestinians Statehood, they are not a country. You could say that the UN granted them "honorary" statehood without the official status.

originally posted by: Alxandro
Radical fundamentalist Muslim kids are taught early on to die for their cause. - Check -
Radical fundamentalist Moms throw their children in front military convoys just to get the vehicles to stop and the ambush begins. - Check -
Radical fundamentalist Dads are known to "honor kill" their own kids when they become too "westernized". - Check -

If they have have no respect for life and are always ready willing to die for their cause, why do the sympathizers get bent out of shape when they are accommodated?

Well said and I agree to a point but do feel we have a responsibility to "salvage" life it at all possible otherwise we are just a short step away from genocide with the excuse of "well they really didn't appreciate life anyway".

a reply to: bbracken677

I think you're completely missing the point here - the contention of whether Israel or Palestine is a state or not is not the topic of this thread, this topic is about a police official for Israel admitting they knew the three teens were not kidnapped by Hamas, and they knew they were already dead while publicly holding out hope for their rescue. They lied and used it as an excuse to attack Gazans, over 1,000 people who had nothing to do with those teen's deaths have so far been killed, a high percentage of those killed in Gaza have been children.

Your arguing over whether Palestine is a country has no bearing here. It's a deflection. At best, it's a moot point. As of this year, 2014, Palestinians live in Gaza, the Golan Heights, and the West Bank. They have a marginal government, and they are held in virtual economic destitution under an apartheid system of government by the Israelis. That said, there was a specific chain of events that have currently touched off the bloodshed taking place right now. The kidnapping of 3 teens. A police official for Israel admitted they were killed by criminals, individuals not associated with Hamas. Instead of treating it like a police matter, apprehending the criminals and prosecuting them, Israel instead chose to make it an excuse to unleash a heavy barrage of bombs on civilians in Gaza.

If someone wants to argue those criminals were a "lone cell" of Hamas, then tell me what "lone cell" of Israeli terrorists burned alive a Palestinian boy?

a reply to: bbracken677

You could say that the UN granted them "honorary" statehood without the official status.

Either you are a state, or you are not, according to the UN.
They don't have "honorary" states like you claim.
What is allowed by the UN is an "observer state" status in the organization, meaning it does not participate in voting.
Even without a "state" status, Palestine still meets the definition of a country.
You are making the same hollow argument that was being made in 1947, that here was a country with no people, relying on American's general ignorance of world geography, that they could easily be led to imagine that Palestine was an uninhabited desert.

a reply to: jmdewey60

Sorry buddy, but that is wrongo. When I used the term "honorary" I prefaced it with "You could say that..."

Try using other sources than Wikipedia and you will get the juice. There is a reason Universities will not accept Wikipedia as a resource or reference.

This is from the UN itself:

Observers

Non-Member States, entities and organizations having received a standing invitation to participate as observers in the sessions and the work of the General Assembly.

Another quote:

JERUSALEM -- The admission of Palestine as a nonmember state in the United Nations is far more than a symbolic vote. For the Palestinians, the move gives them an important boost of international legitimacy in their quest for independence. For Israel and its key ally, the United States, it is a diplomatic setback with potentially grave implications.

Key words: symbolic, quest for independence....

There are currently 2 "Observer States" the UN recognizes: The Holy See (Vatican) and the Palestinians.

a reply to: bbracken677

. . . Non-Member States . . .
. . . a nonmember state . . .

Key words: States, and state.

. . . quest for independence....

Like I said earlier, in practical terms, Gaza is an open air prison maintained by the Zionist regime (and arguably, the West Bank, too).

a reply to: jmdewey60

Except that the granting of observer status, is not an official granting of statehood. It is available to entities other than countries. If the Palestinians were a sovereign nation, then the Israelis would be guilty of invading another country, which is, obviously, not the case.