originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul
In that case there should be no denial that Ukraine itself shot down the MH17 using its own Buks and blame it on the rebels........cough!!
feel free to make some sense.
It has been reported that Kiev had its Buks in the area of the crash.
Yeah - by the Russians.....and we can see in this thread what BS they provide.
In fact the claims show missiles in an encampment - RT.com article
, alongside a
whole lot of other vehicles and then NOT THERE on eth 17th......
and also photos of a BUK 50km SOUTH of Donetsk - miles away from the crash site.
They intentionally sent the Su-25 to make a case that rebels were trying to shoot down the Su and missile locked into the 777.
Says you and the Russians - so I'm going with more BS. Especially in light of het "radar screen" that shows no such thing!!
I also note the discussion above about the max ceiling of a Su-25 - and note that the Russians don't even claim that the a/c was AT that height -
they say it was "climbing" - which straight away says that it was NOT at that height.
also a basic error in geography - the Russians say the Ukrainian BUK was:
Buk missile defense units in Zaroschinskoe, 50km south of Donetsk city and 8km south of Shakhtyorsk, on July 17, 2014.Photo courtesy of the
Russian Defense Ministry
Well here's Zaroschinskoe relative to Donetsk - does it look 50km south to you? 'cos it sure as heck doesn't to me - it is 8km south of
Shakhyorsk, so they can't claim they don't know which way south is!!
Nevertheless, I do not blame Kiev Junta totally for this crash
lol - that's very good of you
.....it is the WH and Pentagon which is criminally responsible for all the crimes being committed in Ukraine, Syria, Gaza and
now...........again in Libya.
Unless such events are brought into their living rooms, they will keep on with their sadist agenda on vulnerable people around the world.
and pathetic - if it wasn't so tragic that people like you are prepared to let Russia get away with this - the myopia that everything has to be the
fault of the USA is actually quite insulting to Russia at one level!!
the Su-25's operated by the Ukraine airforce can carry the R-73 AA missile
, which has a 20 mile
range - but only a 7 kg warhead - and it is IR aimed - so would go for engines - and would not destroy the whole aircraft.
When KAL007 was shot down it was "hit" by 2 Kaliningrad Ka-8 missiles - each with a 40kg warhead! And they didn't destroy the aircraft in flight -
they damaged hydraulics and other systems and the aircraft kept flying for more than 5 minutes!
Lastly, there is no such thing a "a civil air corridor" as claimed by the Russians - all airspace is controlled unless designated otherwise, and
military aircraft using airspace are controlled by het same controllers as civil aircraft - the words are meaningless and apparently designed to do
nothing more than sow confusion........plus of course the Su-25 (if it existed) was NOT in the same airspace as MH-17 and COULD NOT HAVE BEEN because
it cannot fly that high!
the story is so full of OBVIOUS holes as to be worthless.