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The Russian Defense Ministry has said that when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region. The ministry said that the battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner. The Defense Ministry also added that the Ukrainian military has several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers, capable of bringing down high-flying jets, in the Donetsk region where the Malaysian passenger plane crashed. Furthermore, hours after the crash of the Boeing 777 was reported, Kiev published what it called intercepted communications between militia officers and their Russian handler to apparently discuss the take-down of a civilian aircraft by the militia. However, as was noted in this video, the alleged intercepted conversation was created before the plane crashed, suggesting that not only is the conversation fake, but whoever created it was aware about the impending disaster.
Ultimately, right now it is very difficult to confirm who was responsible for the crash, but it is imperative to know that there is some evidence that the Ukrainian military may have been involved, thus nullifying the unjustified claims that Russia is definitely to blame.
a reply to: Irishhaf
Any definitive answer that comes out in less than 6 months or so after they get unrestricted access will be propaganda in my opinion.
originally posted by: Expat888
Known all along its a set up .. just too bad that many will blindly believe the lies theyre fed ..
originally posted by: Irishhaf
I wouldn't believe a word from any side in that particular triangle, unless international investigators get access to all the wreckage, and all the bodies and the black box, cockpit voice recorder and are given time to actually investigate the situation including radar signatures from the surrounding ATC's its all propaganda to support one side or the other.
Any definitive answer that comes out in less than 6 months or so after they get unrestricted access will be propaganda in my opinion.
originally posted by: Irishhaf
I wouldn't believe a word from any side in that particular triangle, unless international investigators get access to all the wreckage, and all the bodies and the black box, cockpit voice recorder and are given time to actually investigate the situation including radar signatures from the surrounding ATC's its all propaganda to support one side or the other.
originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: AreUKiddingMe
Then in the interest of full disclosure post the debunking link.
Are we suppose to believe you?
The guy in your video is basing everything he has off timestamps claiming the audio recording was posted before it happened. Problem with that, (and something that happens all the time every new incident that pops up) is that timestamps are sometimes modified for what timezone you are in, or they are simply recorded by the zone they are in which isn't the same time we are in.
Other problems are SEO and automatic page refreshing, auto-linking old articles to current topics making them look like they were posted long before they actually were etc.
I don't see his YT vid as proof of anything.
Could it just have to do with you being in America and also being a day behind Japan? I could put a video up now being from Australia that would say its the 13th of January but it would tell you the 12th of January because you are a day behind?
Russia for months has continuously confounded NATO's attempts to overthrow and reorder the nation of Ukraine along its western border. While NATO managed to violently remove the elected government of Viktor Yanukovych, the proxies it chose to replace it with were immediately as incompetent as they were unpopular. In quick succession, Crimea peeled away from Kiev and became a federal district of Russia, while the provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk declared independence and sought closer ties with neighboring Russia.
Disorganized, underfunded, and ill-equipped, the Ukrainian army fought a brutal punitive campaign in eastern Ukraine that as of July began unraveling in spectacular disarray. Entire units were wiped out, others encircled, and others still on the brink of mutiny. Attempts to undermine Russia throughout Kiev's rampage east failed as well. A second round of sanctions leveled at Russia by the United States and Europe were recognized globally as ineffective and impotent. NATO's last card appeared to be out on the table, and it was a 'joker.'
With Russia and the separatists in eastern Ukraine standing at the threshold of inevitable victory and standing high in global public opinion, Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was downed near the Ukrainian-Russian border in territory controlled by eastern Ukrainian separatists. Again, answering the question of "cui bono?" is simple. NATO - and the West made no secret of this.
originally posted by: AreUKiddingMe
a reply to: Willtell
Oh my gosh....a wrong timestamp on youtube means Ukraine was framing Russia...gimme a break please! Youtube's timestamp is a day off, this has already been debunked.
Sorry but the title of this thread is utter B.S. Call it like I see it.