history of secret societies

a reply to: adnanmuf
Well, Freemasons consider the Regius Poem as an important key to our history. Also Masonry=Freemasonry (we Masons/Freemasons use these two terms interchangeably). The poem is important as it shows some of the earliest charges to a Master Mason and his duties.

Actually nowhere in Freemasonry do we worship "the Illuminator prince of flames the devil satan." I've been through over 60 initiation in Freemasonry and if anything Freemasonry is the antithesis to what you, and others, allege.

If you go to free masonry they are not apologetic no more, initiation is to knee in from of a statue of Satan.
things have changed no dissimulation no more.

Well, I've already joined Freemasonry. Why would be apologetic? We haven't done anything wrong.

And no, we don't knee in front of a statue of Satan during our initiations.

The regus peom w2as an early 13th century at most and Templars started in 1120 AD 200 years earlier.

It is thought to be dated to around 1380, but speaks of events going back to 926 AD.

Templars used the freemason or what ever was their name then Scottish rites Orphic rites Dionisious Brothergood.

Except the Scottish Rite doesn't come into existence until much, much later.

There is no recognized Masonic body called the "Orphic rites Dionisious Brothergood."

a reply to: Pinocchio
The Regius Poem speaks of King Athelstan and the Grand Assembly held in York, England.

a reply to: adnanmuf
First off, it's KSigMason, not sicmason. Second, it's Traveling Templar and no you did not quote from my website, you quoted me from this thread.

As reported by al Dhahabi , the templars were converted to Nusairi religion of the secret society of Brotherhood of Dionisius.

Who cares? What evidence is there to corroborate this?

Nusairi and shia helped the templars tremendously. they built their forts. made for them orgy parties and showed them the head of satan in the Magic seremony.

This sounds like conjecture and Sunni propaganda.

That is when the templars became filthy rich and starting banking and lending monarchies.

Actually the means by which the Templars became wealthy is there land donations, the proper use of that land, and money depositories as well as banking by the monarchies. Stephen Dafoe, a well known Templar historian, has debunked the myths surrounding the perpetuation myths and the Masonic connections. Karen Ralls, a Templar historian, has said that there is no direct proof that the Templars are tied to the Masons. Robert Cooper, a Mason historian and curator for the Grand Lodge of Scotland's Library, has debunked many myths surrounding the Rosslyn Chapel and the myths surrounding the Freemasons and Templars.

pirates are the same as the templars

So piracy is the result of the Templars?

Crusaders-Shia-Turkic Mongol alliance continued is our days by Europpeans-shia-Russian alliance using secret societies vast network like free masons.

And you know this how?

your website speaks of the great connection between the templars and freemasons but you deny it here, exposing you as an agent trying to hide (dissimulate) since you are a freemason master, hence you already practice dissimulation with me, just like the Manda your Magi ancestors.

Nowhere on my site do I say there is a "great connection between the templars and freemasons." I speak of the various theories on my site, but nowhere do I say that this is the true history of Freemasonry. I'm a Past Commander of a Commandery of Knights Templar, but this group takes its name in commemoration only; we do not claim any direct lineage to the medieval order.

Why your meetings are only for members??

Because we're a private organization and can, and may, exclude anyone we wish.

what are you hiding that people might punish you for???

Nothing, but secrecy or privacy is not indicative of anything devious, wrong, immoral, sinister, or evil.

Where the word DAIS in "Dais officer" in your ranks come from?

It comes from the mid-13th century Anglo-French word "deis" meaning "table, platform," from Latin discus "disk-shaped object." You really like to try and change/revise history to suit your agenda. That's sad.

Ha Ha Ha. you got caught big time.

LOL What? Caught by what? Your revisionist history lesson? There's nothing to suggest that "dais" comes from your version of history. And even if it did? Who cares? It's just a word which, like symbols, are arbitrary and ambiguous. We use dais officer to mean an officer sitting on the dais, or platform, in the room. You are proof that making big opinions on little information is reckless and contains very little, if any, truth.

You've attempted to use my site as proof of my lies, but nowhere do you quote me. Nowhere do I say that Freemasons came from the Templars.

Thanks KSig...

I was about to jump to conclusion(s)....
I thought you were going to say Jerusalem. LOL...

In my mind... I pictured the manuscript as being roused by the laymen of that time.
It helps to know it was from England. I now deem the story in my mind as dysfunctional.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: adnanmuf
Well, Freemasons consider the Regius Poem as an important key to our history. Also Masonry=Freemasonry (we Masons/Freemasons use these two terms interchangeably). The poem is important as it shows some of the earliest charges to a Master Mason and his duties.

Actually nowhere in Freemasonry do we worship "the Illuminator prince of flames the devil satan." I've been through over 60 initiation in Freemasonry and if anything Freemasonry is the antithesis to what you, and others, allege.

If you go to free masonry they are not apologetic no more, initiation is to knee in from of a statue of Satan.
things have changed no dissimulation no more.

Well, I've already joined Freemasonry. Why would be apologetic? We haven't done anything wrong.

And no, we don't knee in front of a statue of Satan during our initiations.

The regus peom w2as an early 13th century at most and Templars started in 1120 AD 200 years earlier.

It is thought to be dated to around 1380, but speaks of events going back to 926 AD.

Templars used the freemason or what ever was their name then Scottish rites Orphic rites Dionisious Brothergood.

Except the Scottish Rite doesn't come into existence until much, much later.

There is no recognized Masonic body called the "Orphic rites Dionisious Brothergood."

a reply to: Pinocchio
The Regius Poem speaks of King Athelstan and the Grand Assembly held in York, England.

a reply to: adnanmuf
First off, it's KSigMason, not sicmason. Second, it's Traveling Templar and no you did not quote from my website, you quoted me from this thread.

As reported by al Dhahabi , the templars were converted to Nusairi religion of the secret society of Brotherhood of Dionisius.

Who cares? What evidence is there to corroborate this?

Nusairi and shia helped the templars tremendously. they built their forts. made for them orgy parties and showed them the head of satan in the Magic seremony.

This sounds like conjecture and Sunni propaganda.

That is when the templars became filthy rich and starting banking and lending monarchies.

Actually the means by which the Templars became wealthy is there land donations, the proper use of that land, and money depositories as well as banking by the monarchies. Stephen Dafoe, a well known Templar historian, has debunked the myths surrounding the perpetuation myths and the Masonic connections. Karen Ralls, a Templar historian, has said that there is no direct proof that the Templars are tied to the Masons. Robert Cooper, a Mason historian and curator for the Grand Lodge of Scotland's Library, has debunked many myths surrounding the Rosslyn Chapel and the myths surrounding the Freemasons and Templars.

pirates are the same as the templars

So piracy is the result of the Templars?

Crusaders-Shia-Turkic Mongol alliance continued is our days by Europpeans-shia-Russian alliance using secret societies vast network like free masons.

And you know this how?

your website speaks of the great connection between the templars and freemasons but you deny it here, exposing you as an agent trying to hide (dissimulate) since you are a freemason master, hence you already practice dissimulation with me, just like the Manda your Magi ancestors.

Nowhere on my site do I say there is a "great connection between the templars and freemasons." I speak of the various theories on my site, but nowhere do I say that this is the true history of Freemasonry. I'm a Past Commander of a Commandery of Knights Templar, but this group takes its name in commemoration only; we do not claim any direct lineage to the medieval order.

Why your meetings are only for members??

Because we're a private organization and can, and may, exclude anyone we wish.

what are you hiding that people might punish you for???

Nothing, but secrecy or privacy is not indicative of anything devious, wrong, immoral, sinister, or evil.

Where the word DAIS in "Dais officer" in your ranks come from?

It comes from the mid-13th century Anglo-French word "deis" meaning "table, platform," from Latin discus "disk-shaped object." You really like to try and change/revise history to suit your agenda. That's sad.

Ha Ha Ha. you got caught big time.

LOL What? Caught by what? Your revisionist history lesson? There's nothing to suggest that "dais" comes from your version of history. And even if it did? Who cares? It's just a word which, like symbols, are arbitrary and ambiguous. We use dais officer to mean an officer sitting on the dais, or platform, in the room. You are proof that making big opinions on little information is reckless and contains very little, if any, truth.

You've attempted to use my site as proof of my lies, but nowhere do you quote me. Nowhere do I say that Freemasons came from the Templars.

Connecting the Regius poem is a theifery and dissimulation act by free masons to clean themselves among the people.
It is stolen by the freemasons by the power and cooperation of the media, and because nobody laid claim to it since it was 700 years old.
freemasons have no relation to regular masons associations, that is why they used the word FREE (remember when I told you the Manda called themselves free men, refusing to work as masons to other peoples!!
remeber the revolutions which talked about Freedom Free (free sex, free food, free everything communal between members).

Listen to me carefully, Freemasonry is the brotherhood of Dionisious, Period.
Dionisus and orphic rites are from the Magi from India as explained by the greek. period.
Dionisus brotherhood shared their wives. period.
Dionisus comes back at the end of time to take revenge on people making genoside as explained in the rites.They are agostics of Gnosticisim Period.
The dionisus rite comes directly from Zoroaster and the Magi, period.

Dionisius means little Judger, ie another entity other than god that judges people. Dioth a dionisian is by difinition is the man who share his wife in secret to his fellow dioths. AKA the anti christ the mahdi of shia.
Dionysus procession was depicted as naked men and women(free sex), he was depicted with goat feet and goat horns (animalistic), named Bakkus (from Bahim animalist or Behimuth). Dionysus Mysteries (secret society), His songs with wine free people (Free Manda), he is killed by the community for secretly enjoying their women. He comes back late at the end resurrected to make judgement on the people (who worship god and keep their women to themselves not allowing perverts to have fun (humanists). He kills them all, and he and his followers celebrate (very much likr the revolutions of Manda Magi Atrocities in Red Russia by Trotsky and Lenin and Stalin)

FREEMASONRY IS DIONISUS FRATERNITY

DAIS is no where to be found in either anglo or franko lexicon.
it is what it is the Dais of the secret societies of Assasins and Fatimids and shia. Period.

Nobody knew about dais untill recently.
However it is used by BOTH BOTH BOTH by Freemasonry and Templars (i just checked the internet).

In your web site you spoke about the strange similarity between templar clothings and freemasons clothings. Why???
It is no secret however that Freemasons are the Templars, every body knows that. Boohoo, try another magic trick on me (remeber Magic comes from Magi tricking people as a means of dissimulation?!)

Who corporate this? I just said al-Dhahabi a great scholar and historian who traveled the world and china. His book is very famous listed in it everything biographies of all famous people (even not famous) all what happened until his time the 1500 AD. He detailed how the Templars helped the shia transport the gold.
and no the Templars could not make that much money by raising pigs on the farm.

All graves of Templars have three men inscrivbed under them Nusairis, why is that, all of them, Richard lion heart, all of them period. go check it out.
what is so important about nusairis to put them on the grave stones of templars???? especially if they were muslim heathen infidels why Templars put that on their graves?? the Nusairis secret leaders were their masters.

Finally there is difference between privacy and secrecy. Period.
your are secretive not private.
why are you hiding, so you can conspire without anybody noticing your communications, take money from this bank to that bank, take that money to that guy to do something assasination or a coop. etc.

it is your devilsh work that helped the Magi rule the world. with out your little members knowing what they had done.

By the way, you broke their secrecy oath with you.
you have just exposed two important links, the cloth similarity and both using dais officer.
that is probably you are a former officer, because you could not keep your mouth eyes wide shot/.

a reply to: adnanmuf
I'm not saying its difinitive proof of where Freemasonry comes from, no one alive today can say what our true origins are, but the Regius Poem is much more compelling than any Templar theory. Stolen? LOL It's not thievery, it's connecting operative Masonry to speculative Masonry. It's very obvious you know very little about "secret societies", least of all the Masonic fraternity.

We Freemasons use Mason (or any derivative thereof) interchangeably with Freemason. It's not for you to define who we are or what terminology we use. The Masonic fraternity is about speculative Masonry, not operative Masonry. It doesn't matter what other groups use as it is irrelevant as we are two different groups. To say anyone who uses "free" is automatically connected is ignorant and shows a lack of logic. You really need to learn that correlation is not causation and that non-sequitur arguments are not rational or proper.

Freemasons using "free" in their name has nothing to do with sex, food, or communist ideals. Get real kid and get educated.

Listen to me carefully, Freemasonry is the brotherhood of Dionisious, Period.

And listen to me: No. It's. Not. My first hand experience and research shows me that you are not telling the truth here or that you are highly misinformed.

The "Dionisus and orphic rites" do not exist in Masonry. We don't share our wives (I'm not married).

DAIS is no where to be found in either anglo or franko lexicon.

Actually it is. It is currently defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary as "a raised platform (as in a hall or large room)." The word "dais" as I pointed out earlier came to us from the Latin word. There is no connection to your "Assasins and Fatimids and shia." Quit applying your opinion as if it was fact.

Your understanding of the English language is as weak as your grasp on history.

However it is used by BOTH BOTH BOTH by Freemasonry and Templars (i just checked the internet).

ROFL Yes, yes, because everything on the internet is true. LMAO I'm tearing up here...this is just getting sad.

In your web site you spoke about the strange similarity between templar clothings and freemasons clothings.

No. I compare the medieval Templar uniform with the uniform used by the Masonic Knights Templar today, and how the latter evolved in its uniform. Quit trying to twist my words.

It is no secret however that Freemasons are the Templars, every body knows that.

It's not a fact either. It's only a theory.

and no the Templars could not make that much money by raising pigs on the farm.

I didn't say it was either.

All graves of Templars have three men inscrivbed under them Nusairis, why is that, all of them, Richard lion heart, all of them period. go check it out.

How can you say "all"? Have you seen every single Templar grave? And I have checked it out, not all the graves have three men on them. And nowhere is Nusairis relevant to the Templars.

Finally there is difference between privacy and secrecy. Period.

Secrecy is defined as "the action of keeping something secret or the state of being kept secret.."

Secret is defined as "to set apart or hide"

Privacy is defined as "quality or state of being apart from company and observation."

Secrecy = privacy

your are secretive not private.

I disagree, but regardless, there's nothing wrong with secrecy

why are you hiding, so you can conspire without anybody noticing your communications, take money from this bank to that bank, take that money to that guy to do something assasination or a coop. etc.

Well being secretive is not indicative any wrongdoing. Everyone enjoys secrecy, even you. 2) If it's my money, it's none of your business what I do with it. Like most anti-Masons you seem to be against freedom and liberty.

it is your devilsh work that helped the Magi rule the world. with out your little members knowing what they had done.

I always love this. The anti-Mason will say in one sentence that some Masons are ignorant of what goes on "higher up" and then follow that up with the fact that they know about our "secret plans." It's hubris.

By the way, you broke their secrecy oath with you.
you have just exposed two important links, the cloth similarity and both using dais officer.
that is probably you are a former officer, because you could not keep your mouth eyes wide shot/.
Nothing I have said here has broken my obligations in any of the numerous bodies I am a member of.

originally posted by: adnanmuf

Listen to me carefully, Freemasonry is the brotherhood of Dionisious, Period.

Why would anyone listen to you carefully or otherwise, your not a Freemason so all you can do is assume.
You have no facts. Now I will tell you a real fact, from someone who found out for real and not by reading it on the net.

Freemasonry is an ancient and honorable society, and by a natural tendency it conduces to make all those honorable who are strictly obedient to it's precepts.
The solid foundation of Freemasonry rests on the practice of social and moral virtue.
And as Masons we are reminded of the sacred duties of truth, of honor, and virtue.

and that my friend is a fact...

And that's a Fact.

hey ask an elder if freemasonry is not related to Dionysus brotherhood.

a reply to: adnanmuf
Elder of what? And who would care?

originally posted by: adnanmuf
hey ask an elder if freemasonry is not related to Dionysus brotherhood.

why are you defending templars and that they are not related to Nusairis even thought they lived where the Nusairis lived and had the word nusairi etched on their holly christian graves.??

I have the photos of the graves and I am gonna post them for you to see.
The embelm of Nusairi are three men hovering over the ground (in the nusairi land). and then you have the nusairi embelm on the templar graves and their name too.

you use the secrecy, brotherhood, free, connected intimately with the shia Magi people who are themselves inseperable from the Ancient Magi and the Gnostics (secret knowledge)
those gnostics had secret knowledge unchanged from the time pre discovering the wheel. If they have great knowledge why did they not discover the wheel.
they are idiots (agnostics)
secrecy is the twin of Conspiracy.

a reply to: adnanmuf
Let's see these images then? You have a picture of every Templar grave ever? Prove it.

As I said before, there's nothing wrong with secrecy.

secrecy is the twin of Conspiracy.

Said every tyrant ever.

Are you a Sunni Muslim? Please answer this simple question.

a reply to: KSigMason

You claimed free masons believe in God.
what is the name of God?
what religion is the religion god had for humans?
what is your moral values based on?
Who rules the world and earth?

originally posted by: adnanmuf
You claimed free masons believe in God.
what is the name of God?

God. Duh.

what religion is the religion god had for humans?

None. Religion is man's invention. Kinda like your make believe Satan.

what is your moral values based on?

The Golden Rule.

Who rules the world and earth?

Jerry, from De Beque, Colorado.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
a reply to: KSigMason

You claimed free masons believe in God.
what is the name of God?
what religion is the religion god had for humans?
what is your moral values based on?
Who rules the world and earth?

Just think of how much you could learn if you asked questions instead of spouted assertions. You are so busy claiming to be right, and you have no clue.

God is named whatever the individual mason calls him. Some pray to Allah, Some to God, some to Jesus Christ. It's up to the individual, like freedom of choice.

The religion of God is love. And few follow it.

Each man chooses his moral values, but as masons, we are obligated to be good men, help others in need, and look out for our brethren.

nobody rules the Earth except mother nature. And that guy Jerry.

a reply to: adnanmuf
I refer to my God simply as God.
Religion is manmade. I am Christian, but more of the gnostic or Rosicrucian type.
My moral values are based on truth, Christ's commandment, and libertarian values
Who rules the world and earth? Morgan Freeman.

How did you know that god did not make a law for humans?
there must be a messenger from God that told you that?
what is the name of that messenger??

Your belief is that God exist but is far away and did not put laws on humans and that humans are free to do what they want. This is exactly the gnostic religion.

the gnostic religion had its creaters and proginators in past humans.
So your religion is that all religions are fake or exagurated (also a claim of the gnostics).

The famous people of Gnosticism were not mentioned by name by the prophets of revelation from god.
Actually all prophets cursed those gnostics.
so your belief in the gnostics defy your belief in christianity or other religions,

hence only people who denounce religions enter the secret societies!!!!!!!!!!

you can not combine the two together.

In the Bible the prophets of the time of first destruction of Jerusalem like

Ezra and Jeremiah Ezekiel and Daniel, mentioned the Magi (Manda) by name , they mentioned the Sorcerers as Manda or Ma'da (medes), they also cursed them very much.

You can not have them both as your truth tellers.
Hope that explained to you that you are indeed a Magi from the tribe of heathen Manda ( the first athiests).!


here is also a quote from a freemason elder book proves the connections of FREEMASONS to the Magi

"Makrisi's account of the different degrees of initiation adopted in the Lodge (house of Wisdom in Cairo of the Shia Ismaili and Nusairis)* forms an invaluable record of Freemasonry. In fact, the Lodge at Cairo became the model of all the Lodges created afterwards in Christendom."
In this last assertion I am myself greatly in agreement, as it seems exceedingly evident, in considering the rituals and ceremonies of these Syrian secret sects, that herein are to be found very many of the foundations of our modern rituals, in many of the degrees allied to Freemasonry, as well as primarily in the three degrees of the Craft."

The fact that the secret societies build their secret religion as if it is a branch of the predominant religion of the area.
they reverse the goal and method. for their goal is the method they pretend to lead to thier secretive goal. The goal is not important or even existant in the first place!

the method is free sex, animalisticism, heathenism to include all what human soul desireth with no limits or guards (humanism)

however to keep their methods secret from people around them they make the goal that is astoundly blasphemous, not because they really believe in that nor do they believe of the original religion (goal) of the populace they are hiding and dissimulating in.
So to guard the blasphemous goal they make it secret, and so for an initiate to attain all the secrets, he needs to pass through stages, and every stage lasts several years, during which he indulge in all the heathen practices of the methods,
hence by the time he reached highest degree he did or was forced to do all heathen and unlawful thing.

Knowing the secret did not matter from the beginning, it is just to keep the method secret. The method of the goal from the begining.
The secret is based on the Gnostic formula that says God is far away, and he has no control on this earth, and never made laws (religions) and so man should provide for himself, by attaining all possible pleasures or fetishes including theft robbery usury killing torturing drugs and keep going.

Hence the secret societies is not but a way to transfer humans into animals while they are waiting to receive the secret.

Satan and His minions improvised this device, not to help humans have fun, but to make them break God's Law and hence Satan proves to God that He was better than Adam in the first place, hoping that God will forgive Satan satan not caring about his followers who god will send to the hellfire.
So that is the wishful thinking plan of Satan and the outlawed spirits banished by God millions of years ago in the crypts of this earth when they themselves broke God commandements but they ignored untill forgot that and they still think that advanced aliens destroyed their ancient civilizations and made them run for cover deep into the earth or dirty places
Those spirits who are the native on this earth (humans came much later)

the spirits (intelligent beings made of ether and fire, the Djinn) discovered those aliens try to avoid dirty ruined places as possible.

That is why The Jesuits (secret society made of Jews converting to christianity as the ultimate deception=dissimulation), improvised mixing aluminium particles with dried powdered human dun to spray (chemtrails) in the sky to protect humans on earth untill humans fully indulge in their Humanist! desires and reach the point of no return and no forgiveness by god , when god will destroy man ("red ball of redemption" prophecy by a catholic lady) and give the hope to the imprisoned spirits (ufos of this earth) and Satan to get God forgiveness since they were far better than humans and did not break as much of God law as humans had done in the past( Satan had only one mistake he believed, but him not knowing that deviating others (humans and spirits add sins to his original sin)

Now Satan had completed a large cache of humans (humanists or animalists, Dionisios with the goat feet) breakers of the law of god while Satan prays daily for forgiveness to god and hope the large cache will prove it.

a reply to: adnanmuf

Do you believe in other fantasy beings besides Satan?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: adnanmuf

Do you believe in other fantasy beings besides Satan?

.

How come the freemasons embelm was found in the roman villa in Pompei, of Dionysus rites, where all the walls depicted men and women taking off or dressing.
this is bullet proof of the connection of Free masons to the Dionysus rites secret society that been proven connected to the religion of the Magi!!


what do you think about the movie "Oblivion" Tom Cruz

It is about the ancient residents of earth the Djinn, being controlled by Satan "tom Cruz" who found that he was decieved by another alien civilization, and not Satan's People.
This movie is how the UFOs (spirits residing earth ) thought of what happened to them of a sudden, and how they convinced Satan who was actually persecuting them by order of God because they broke his law.

The movie make analogy that humans are going to repeat the same mistake again, ie invaded by advanced aliens while.
the movie is a prologue preparing humans to resist God laws to the bitter end.
based on Scientology yet another secret society like yours.
ha ha.