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In case you forgot but Russia has no say as to what their former republics do, as they are no longer under their control and are allowed to deal with anyone they want.
Serbia also FINISHED the southstream...Its not in progress, but finished!
Today in Belgrad (Serbia) South Stream d.o.o. entered into a contract with Centrgaz, which won the bidding for the South Stream gas pipeline construction in the Republic of Serbia. Centrgaz will focus on design, procurement, construction and installation activities, personnel training and commissioning of South Stream in Serbia. The contract stipulates involving Serbian subcontractors in carrying out certain operations.
Taking part in the bidding procedure which started in March 2014 were four bidders, comprised of Russian and Serbian companies.
Btw, somewhere I read that Turkey, a member of NATO, wants to join the Eurasian Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakstan and others.
The trade volume between Russia and Turkey amounted to $32.7 billion in 2013. Russia is Turkey's second-largest trade partner after the European Union. Turkey ranks eighth among Russia's foreign trade partners.
You can conclude what ever you want. However, if the war breaks with Russia, then Western Europe will live for another 15 minutes at best.
originally posted by: stumason
originally posted by: victor7
Soon Germany will want to break away from the EU for the same reasons.
This just highlights the total disconnect in your BS - Germany break from the EU?
They ARE the EU!
So you think Russia could take out all of Western Europe in 15 minutes...Pipe dream at best.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Well when your supplying arms to a separatists group one should understand why they are not welcome.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Ploutonas
Add the link into a translator (bing or google). USA voted a new bill today, many countries to enter NATO... read which countries are these. Its not a coincidence.
That is because they don't want the same thing that happened in Ukraine to happen to them, can you blame them?
These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.
originally posted by: bjarneorn
These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.
originally posted by: stumason
originally posted by: bjarneorn
These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.
Technically, they have the right, but the method has to legal within the framework of the nation concerned. The method they have used is in direct contravention to the Ukraine Constitution, not to mention the vote itself was a total farce from beginning to end (which was a whole fortnight - not enough time to organise any kind of free and fair vote).
It isn't as simple as a couple of thousand men picking up guns and declaring it so, many of whom would appear to actually have been brought in from another nation entirely.
originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: cosmonova
It didn't... He fled after being impeached by the elected Parliament (as per the Constitution) for Constitutional violations. He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest.
The Ukranian regime that came into existence after President Yanukovich was removed from power on 22 February 2014 is illegitimate.
It is illegitimate because the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, did not follow the procedure to impeach and remove a president from power set out in the Ukrainian constitution.
Impeachment procedure
Article 108 of the constitution [1] specifies four circumstances in which a president may cease to exercise power before the end of his term. Those are:
resignation;
inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;
removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;
death.
The procedure for removal from office by impeachment is laid down in Article 111 [1]. It is not unlike that required for the impeachment and removal from power of a US president, which could take months. This makes sense, since it would be absurd to allow a parliament to remove a popularly elected president on a whim without proper consideration.
Thus, Article 111 obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president’s guilt for the Rada to consider. To find the president guilty, at least two-thirds of Rada members must assent.
Prior to a final vote to remove the president from power, the procedure requires
the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
the Supreme Court of Ukraine to certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.
To remove the president from power, at least three-quarters of Rada members must assent.
The Rada didn’t follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.
Furthermore, the bill wasn’t even supported by three-quarters of Rada members as required by Article 111 – it was supported by 328 members, when it required 338 (since the Rada has 450 members).
According to Article 94 of the constitution, laws passed by the Rada require the signature of the President to come into force, so no law passed by the Rada since 22 February has been properly enacted.
originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: cosmonova
It didn't... He fled after being impeached by the elected Parliament (as per the Constitution) for Constitutional violations. He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest.
He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest